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Man and Dinosaur In Mongolia. More Proof That Dinosaurs and Men Co-Existed as Per Genesis....Page 66

By Chris Parker, s8int.com, Copyright April, 2008

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Man and Dinosaur in Mongolia: More Proof that dinosaurs and men co-existed as per Genesis.


By the time Charles Darwin published his book “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life” in 1859, those with an Atheistic or naturalistic view of the universe already had read and discussed plenty of scientific thought trending along those lines which had provided them with a degree of “intellectual fulfillment”. Darwin’s own grandfather, Erasmus Darwin had proposed around 1796 ideas hypothesizing common descent with organisms "acquiring new parts" in response to stimuli., and  then passing these changes down to their offspring.


In other words, Darwin’s book wasn’t written in a vacuum. In 1809, sixty years prior to the publishing of Darwin’s work, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck, had proposed a theory which postulated that organisms were changed by their environments  and that those changes were then passed on to their progeny. This came to be known as Lamarckian evolution.


The point is, the scientific world was fully ready for Darwin’s book and were early adapters of it. Though the theory was broadly accepted by “science” and certain of the intelligencia, it remained just as is the case today, that most of the public resisted it and continued to believe in creationism.


It’s interesting to read news articles of the early 1900’s and to see how thoroughly Darwinism had already been accepted, so relatively soon after the publication of the book. One can clearly see the ridicule already being heaped on believers as is done today but, it was still a more innocent time and news articles or opinions that would be edited out or not reported because of the Darwin police still managed to sometimes get through.


This is one of the reasons that this author has searched the archives of that time. If ever there was a time when one might have an opportunity to see reported stories and ideas in the popular press that would challenge or contradict the theory of evolution, one imagines anyway that this would have been the time; when the Darwinian paradigm was not as thorough an editor and shaper of the world one got to see as it is today.


In a 1984 debate with Dr. Duane Gish, a creationist, a Dr. Mayer, an evolutionist, stated,


"Creationists have stated that humans and dinosaurs were contemporaries in time...Were this momentous statement true the names of its discoverers would thunder down the corridors of time as individuals who made one of the most outstanding discoveries of the twentieth century”.


Dr. Mayer wasn’t the first evolutionist to throw down that particular gauntlet. In fact, this “momentous statement”, that man and dinosaur co-existed, has been proven true any number of times, including here on s8int.com, if we can reach around far enough to pat ourselves on the back. The problem is evolutionists deem evidence of this “momentous statement” as false on a de facto basis.


As a matter of fact, the continued discovery of living coelacanths, a rather unattractive fish that evolutionists thought looked prehistoric, and thought by evolutionists to have become extinct even Before the time of the dinosaurs, should have already taught evolutionists like Mayer some caution in this area. Such has proven not to be the case. Evolutionists still hold that man and dinosaur missed each other by 40 plus million years.


In this article, we will prove once again that man and dinosaur coexisted in Mongolia as discovered by leading scientists of the time and as reported in the New York Times and the Associated Press, and we will see if our names or anyone else’s will “thunder down the corridors of time”, as Dr. Mayer, famous perhaps for his all meat hotdog if not for his debating skills, predicted.


Mongolia (Mongolian: Монгол улс, ) is a landlocked country in East-Central Asia. It borders Russia to the north and China to the south. The capital and largest city is Ulan Bator. Mongolia's political system is a parliamentary republic.

At 1,564,116 square kilometres, Mongolia is the nineteenth largest, and the least densely populated independent country in the world with a population of around 2.9 million people. It is also the world's second-largest landlocked country after Kazakhstan. The country contains very little arable land, as much of its area is covered by arid and unproductive steppes, with mountains to the north and west and the Gobi Desert to the south” (1)

Dr. Roy Chapman Andrews of the American Museum of Natural History

Unknown Fossils Found in Mongolia

Kozloff, Russian Scientist, unearths Hundreds of Skeletons of Species Never Seen Before

Wheat Thousands of Years Old Reportedly Still “Eatable”

New York Times, Sept. 24, 1924


Perhaps the first indication that something was amiss from an evolutionary perspective was in a series of articles concerning discoveries by Russian scientist Kozloff and by Professor Henry F. Osborne of the American Museum of Natural History, (“AMNH”) and Prof. Roy Chapman Andrews of the same institution, between 1923 and 1925. Remember, Professor Osborne was from virtually the temple of Darwinism, the American Museum of Natural history. Another alumnus of the American Museum of Natural History, Charles Gilmore, a leading paleontologist of the time, also confirmed that man and dinosaurs had co-existed based on finds in the Grand Canyon on the Doheny Expedition in 1924.


For some reason, prior to these discoveries and perhaps because it was such an arid and forbidding place, dinosaur fossils were not expected to be found in Mongolia. In the year prior to the publishing of this article, discoveries such as nests of dinosaur eggs made by Prof Roy Chapman Andrews of the AMNH had led him to call the region a “paleontological Garden of Eden”.


Back to the 1924 article: “Urga. Mongolia Sept. 23. A.P. Prof. Peter Kozloff, Russian explorer, has discovered near here an enormous number of skeletons of hitherto unknown animals and many human remains, which lead him to believe that Mongolia may have been the birthplace of man and the point of origin of a considerable part of the animal and reptile world.


Among the fossils already unearthed  by Prof. Kozloff and his assistants are those of 25 quadrupeds of undesignated species, 150 birds of various sizes, 100 reptiles, snakes and fishes and more than 1,000 insects of giant size”.


Andrews at work in an expedition to Mongolia

So, we have an enormous quantity of extinct creatures, including giant insects, in association with man. What caused the fossilization of these creatures together? And did you read; point of origin of man and reptile? This certainly suggests the remains of man along with the remains of what evolutionists call “early reptiles”—like dinosaurs—but this is not the proof we spoke of. That is to come in another article which amplifies these Mongolian discoveries.


According the this 1924 article, even more startling than the discovery of the human and reptile fossils together was the discovery by Kozloff  of royal tombs containing still edible bricks of tea and wheat, many thousands of years old.


So what were these unknown animals? When was there a period on earth that giant insects, reptiles and humans could have been fossilized together, one might well ask?


Continuing this line of thought for a moment, and the flood of Noah certainly would come to mind, is an article on the region a little later in time, from 1948:


Russians Report Finding Dinosaurs by the Millions

United Press, Nov. 23, 1948


Moscow” Soviet scientists just returned from Mongolia said today that they discovered millions of dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures in the southwestern Gobi desert…


As a result of geological changes, the giant beasts lie buried from 49 to 131 feet deep. Among the prize specimens , Prof Yefremov said, were a horned dinosaur 36 feet long, one of five such ever found, and a 98-foot 5-inch dinosaur that walked on its hind legs.


In the following article from 1925, Kozloff elaborates on some of his discoveries in the Mongolian Tombs:


Tells of Rich Finds in Mongolian Tombs

Prof Kozloff Describes Gold and Art Objects—Saw Blood Clots 2,100 years Old

New York Times, 1925


Kozloff described the large burial chambers where he found a number of “pigtails” which still had blood clotted on them. He hoped that this would lead to the discovery of the nationality of the women he presumed had been scalped.


“The carpets underneath the coffins bore scenes showing fights between an animal resembling the yak and some sort of predatory beast (?); also an elk attacked by a winged animal (?)….


The gem of the whole collection, he thought were tapestries showing horsemen, which recalled the art of the Greeks, and carpets representing an elk with a griffin riding on its back”.


More information about the people whose remains were found among the enormous  quantity of fossil reptiles and other creatures is provided in a 1926 article in which Kozloff, the Russian Explorer was interviewed;


Russian Explorers Trace Ancient People Through Granite Carvings in Mongolia

New York Times, 1926


“Explorers, says The London Time’s Riga correspondent, have found an abundance of sculpture in the granite rock, with a number of inscriptions which it will take years to decipher. At one spot the granite had been carved to represent a giant tortoise, on the back of which there are what Kozloff considers to be Doric ornamentations surrounded by curious hieroglyphics. At this spot there also remarkable figures of men and animals carved in the face of the rock.. …..


In these granite hills there is a great piece of sculpture in two parts, which appears to represent a sort of Mongolian sphinx….


At many other parts of the route of the expedition, the explorer found granite obelisks and other monuments, all bearing inscriptions, ruins of temples…..”



The term "brontothere", meaning thunder - beast, was a product of Sioux Indian mythology. The Brontotherium they were referring to was a large Oligocene mammal, distantly related to the rhinoceros, and had a forked "horn" on its snout.

Being larger in the males than in the females, this horn was probably used in fighting, much like those of deer and antelope today. The brontotherium died out as the great forests were replaced by grasslands where horses, rhinos and other mammals became more abundant.

TIME - 37.5 - 32MYA, Early Oligocene epoch RANGE - USA - NV, CA (Death Valley), SD, ND SIZE - These creatures reached a height of up to 8 ft (2.5 m) at the shoulder. WEIGHT - 2 US tons

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After learning more about the animals found in Mongolia in the prior articles excerpts, this 1928 article will tell us in more detail about the creatures discovered in Mongolia and their association with man. We are closing in on the “proof” of dinosaur and man co-existence as deemed impossible by Dr. Mayer and all other evolutionists.


Huge Fossil Finds Made by Andrews

Mongolia 20,000 Years Ago Was More Thickly Populated Than Now, Explorer Cables


Head Bones of an Animal as Long as the Woolworth Building

New York Times, Aug 17, 1928


“Fossil remains of a gigantic new mammal, possibly larger than the “Baluchitherium” with a humerus or bone of the upper fore limb, “as big as a manÂ’s body” are being brought out: Also a “huge Titananothere with extraordinary saddle-like skull,” are among the ninety cases of fossils the expedition has found…


Of equal interest is the report of the discovery of “residence sites of dune dwellers, whose culture is everywhere, yielding thousands of stone implements, decorated bones, shells and tooth necklace, indicating that 20,000 years ago Mongolia was more densely populated than today.”


Should there be a suggestion or thought that the huge extinct animal fossils and the co-evidence of men (whose artifacts included many uses of the very animals found there) were supposed by the scientists to have lived in vastly different ages, there is the following quote from the article:


“First, it is clear that the Titanotheres, large horned quadrupeds which became extinct in America in the early Oligocene, survived for a much longer period in Mongolia”. This quote is from Roy Chapman Andrews of the American Museum of  Natural History.


According to Wikipedia, “the Oligocene epoch is a geologic period that extends from about 33.9 million to 23 million years before the present.”, obviously millions of years prior to the appearance of man , according to evolutionary theory. The co-existence of man with giant mammals which supposedly became extinct more than 23 million years ago should shock the sensibilities of the evolutionary adherents as much as would the coexistence of man and dinosaur –and this we shall soon discover was proven to be the case in the arid regions of Mongolia.


Before we go there, however, there is one more noteworthy quote from Dr Andrews of the AMNH, which is worth revisiting (an actual Godzilla?);


“Peking, Aug 16—The head bones of the prehistoric monster unearthed by Roy Chapman Andrews at the southern edge of the Gobi Desert today were described by him as indicating the existence of a colossal animal “about the size of the Woolworth Building if the building were in a horizontal position.” (The Woolworth Building in New York City is 792 feet high.)


Andrews claimed to have discovered a creature as large as the Woolworth Building in Mongolia. This is a s8int.com depiction of the creature and not an actual photo.

Dinosaur eggs have been found all over the world but never really in great numbers. Dinosaur eggs were found there in Mongolia as well, along with millions of fossilized dinosaurs and evidence of human artifacts and settlements. Dinosaurs supposedly became extinct more than 40 million years ago and it is true that when their eggs are found they are uniformly in one condition; fossilized, i.e. rock. This would be true whether or not they were found today, 40 plus million years after their demise according to science, or if found 3,000 years ago—(40 million minus 3,000), solid rock. The truth is, it doesn’t take 40 million years to create fossils but it does take a lot of watet and quick burial.


Keep this fact about rock hard dinosaur eggs in mind, as we read excerpts from an  Associated Press article from 1925 as narrated by Prof. Roy Chapman Andrews, of the American Museum of Natural History, a veritable temple of the evolution religion, if you will,


Discovery Sheds Light on Humans

Bones of Dinosaurs And Prehistoric Humans Found in Gobi Desert

Associated Press, August 20, 1925


Peking, China. Aug 19__Stone implements and weapons of a race of men, who lived thousands of years ago among sand dunes on the shore of a lake since swallowed by the Gobi Desert, have been found  far in the interior of Mongolia by the third expedition of the American Museum of Natural History, Roy Chapman Andrews, leader of the expedition disclosed in Peking today.


These primitive men bored the shells and made ornaments of the eggs left by the dinosaur, the giant reptile that roamed the Asiatic plains some 10,000,000 years ago. Mr. Andrews said they used for the same purposes the shell of a gigantic ostrich egg, long sense extinct.”


Clearly, these men were not using the fossilized eggs of dinosaurs to make these ornaments. If dinosaurs had truly been extinct for 40 million years they would have been unworkable. They had to be using “fresh” dinosaur eggs. If not fossilized, the dinosaur eggs would have hatched, been eaten or decayed but certainly would not have been found in a workable state millions of years after they were deposited.


Dr. Andrews did the best he could by suggesting that these dinosaur co-existers, were primitive men, dubbing them  primitive Dune Dwellers of Shabarack Ussu”. He thought that they were the earliest type of man in development from the ape.


Dinosaur eggs, fossilized

Mr. Andrews also found two human skeletons in association with other dinosaur eggs, some of which were tentatively described as those of the protoceratops.


So we have in these articles evidence of great dinosaur graveyards, of extinct ancient civilizations, giant dinosaurs and giant insects and clearly proof of dinosaur and human coexistence supported not by “wild eyed” creationists, but by one of the leading scientists of the day on dinosaurs from the Museum of Natural History.


Shall I now find my name “thundered down the corridors of time” as Dr. Mayer promised? Better it should be written in the Lambs Book of Life!


So, All right, Mr. “DeMayer”, I'm ready for my close-up!




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