The Problem of 200 lb. Eagles “Gliders and sailplanes have wings made for maximum lift and, hence, relatively lumbering flight. Fighter aircraft have wings made for aerial maneuver and fast flight, but nowhere near as much lift.
For that reason, if a C5-A is the largest transport plane which modern technology allows us to build, and it is, then you do not expect to see a fighter plane five times the size of a C5-A, the reasons being fairly obvious.
Likewise, the albatross and certain condors are bird equivalents of sailplanes and transports and, at 30 - 35 lbs. or so, albatrosses have enough trouble with takeoffs and landings for sailors to call them "gooney birds".
You therefore do not expect to see an eagle or a hawk, or anything like that, basically a bird equivalent of a fighter aircraft made for maneuver and pursuit, five times the size of the largest albatross, for the same reason which you do not see a fighter five times the size of the C5-A.
If, on the other hand, you DID see something like that in prehistoric times, then you have to figure something was very different in the extent to which gravity itself, the limiting factor here, operated in prehistoric times.” Ted Holden, Bearfabrique.org
Tree stump and root system from 300 foot plus petrified tree. Photo from The Ogden Standard-Examiner, February 13, 1938 and augmented by s8int.com.
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Speaking generally, if you’re a bible believer you believe in a worldwide flood. Such a flood would have been so catastrophic, that much of what is seen today with respect to the earth’s past would have to be seen through that lens.
If on the other hand you’re an evolution believer, you need uniformism to be the order of the day so that you can make accurate statements about the past based on the present. Evolution is built on uniformism and relies on it; catastrophism means that we can not understand the past at all based on what we see in the present.
There was something going on with gravitation in earth’s distant or not so distant past that is unaccounted for by current scientific theories and which might help us understand which is these viewpoints is correct. Birds with wingspans of up to twenty-five feet lived and flew in those days. Much smaller birds have trouble even getting airborne these days.
There existed in the past sauropod dinosaurs which were well over 100 feet from head to tail. In today’s gravity, those creatures would not be able to hold their heads up even to stand.. Basically, the larger an animal becomes the larger and thicker will his bones have to be. However, the gross weight of large animals increases faster than that same animal’s musculature and strength.
At some point, the animal’s weight would be unsupportable by bone and muscle. Estimates of this maximum possible weight ranges from 20,000 to 40,000 pounds under earth’s current gravity. The largest elephants weigh in at about 20,000 pounds and all they can get up to is a brisk walk.
The largest sauropods were thought to have weighed as much as 360,000,000 pounds, some nine times the estimated upper limit for a land animal in today’s gravity.
Dinosaurs weren’t the only mega creatures in the earth’s past. As we’ve shown in the section of s8int.com called “Mega Fauna” in the past virtually everything was bigger; i.e. a rhino, 17 feet at the shoulders, deer, eight feet at the shoulder, pigs the size of cows, a type of sloth the size of a monkey today was over 18 feet long in the past, a fifteen foot penguin, dragon flies with two foot wing spans.etc..
Not only that, "there were giants in those days", according to the Bible and to the fossil record. Skeletons of men have been reportedly found which were ten, eleven and even thirteen feet high-or more.
Samuel Hubbard reportedly found three fossilized giant humans in the Grand Canyon which were eighteen feet tall. There are historical accounts of even taller human beings. There is no easy explanation for these phenomena in the current evolution uniformism paradigm.
We come finally to the subject of this short article. How can petrified trees provide additional support to the idea that gravity was attenuated in the past as compared to today?
To answer that question, we first go to science.
Much as some have worked to establish the maximum size of a land vertebrate under current gravity conditions, scientist George Koch and colleagues believe that they have established the upper limit for tree height. In an article entitled “Study Limits Maximum Tree Height”, by Jonathan Amos, which appeared in the BBC News Online in April 2004, that maximum tree height is about 425 feet.
They studied giant redwoods, the tallest trees on earth in Humboldt County California to reach these conclusions. They hypothesized and verified experimentally that as trees reached the height of 425 they could pump less and less water and nutrients up to new growth at that level. No current tree in the world has reached this height.
In effect, maximum tree growth is limited by gravity and friction.
Back in 1938, some scientists were speculating that the earth was shrinking and gravity along with it because of a huge petrified pine tree, well over three hundred feet tall found in the Rainbow Petrified Forest in Arizona.
In article sub-titled “Recent Discoveries in Petrified Forest Leads to Belief This Old Globe Is Gradually Contracting” (The Ogden Standard-Examiner, February 13. 1938) various scientists discussed the idea that at the time this petrified tree with its huge root system lived on the earth, its circumference was approximately 30,000 miles rather than the current 25,000. The larger earth would have exerted an attenuated (weaker) gravitational force on the trees and animals of that time.
According to the scientists quoted in the article,
"Since the newly discovered petrified tree Is of the Araucarias species, a form of pine which, when its sap is running, is of considerable weight, it probably weighed per lineal foot as much as modern-day smaller trees, and therefore seems to indicate that the magnetism and force of gravity of the earth at the' time it grew were more dissipated, an indication that the earth itself possessed a greater diameter."
These petrified trees had been transformed into onyx, jasper, agate, carnelian and chalcedony. Today, the giant redwoods are the growth champions. The various varieties of Araucarias would not have been expected to reach the same exalted heights.
The authors go on to make some Ted Holden-like suppositions about the gravity effect on the disappearance of the giant dinosaurs:
"By the same reasoning the disappearance of the giant dinosaur and the brontosaurus was not due. as previously supposed, to a mere killing off of the huge animals by smaller animal life but to a contracting earth, on which the huge creatures became progressively heavier, so that their species became unwieldy and unable to resist attacks of lighter animals.
They might have retained their ascendancy and man never appeared, at all if the earlier diameter of the world had -been preserved and with it a lighter weight per cubic foot for all plant and animal life".
Note here that the author in his quotes continues to support evolutionary theory even though the very ideas that he is reporting on here; mega versions of plant and animal life tend not to support species evolution and uniformism.
If the author and the scientists quoted re: mega animals, trees and plants had not already wittingly or unwittingly damaged the prospects for evolution and uniformism, they closed with this comment:
"In the four States of Utah, Colorado ;New Mexico and Arizona, there must have been a most amazing far-past garden of Eden for it is also in this general area that the largest dinosaurs and brontosaurs found on earth have been discovered.
These mighty animals, which dwarf modern elephants as the latter do small dogs of today, seem to have been floated into the same great sediment basin as were the mighty ancient forests, for there are found very largely under the same conditions, their bones petrified as fossils".
The discovery that caused this scientific introspection occurred in 1938.
What the authors had overlooked in finding a petrified 300 foot plus tree of the Araucarias variety and finding themselves perplexed by it, is that a much larger tree had already been discovered in —Texas by federal geologists.
According to an article in the Sunday, January 23, 1927 Port Arthur News, a petrified tree of the astonishing height of 896 feet had been discovered in a petrified forest in Texas.
Ancient trees more than twice the height of the tallest giant redwoods?
Based on common sense, experience and the scientific article quoted herein establishing 425 feet as the upper limit for tree height, clearly something anomalous was going on in the distant past. Perhaps, more properly the earth’s current gravity is the anomaly.
According to the article, the forest is situated in a virtually inaccessible region in a valley of the Big Bend, nearly 100 miles from the nearest railroad spur at that time.
The forest was immodestly referred to as the greatest Petrified Forest known to man.
Mere stumps of trees rose 100 to 150 feet into the air. A thick covering of volcanic ash and pumice stone is said to have covered the trees and it is thought by the geologists/discoverers to have come from a volcano in the nearby Chisos mountains.
"One tree trunk measured 896 feet in length and the upright trunks are so large that they appear from a distance to be great symmetrical columns of natural rock. These federal geologists tell the -story. They have visited this distant valley, which is split by a deep arroyo leading into the Rio Grande."
Clearly, if what this 1927 story reports is true, that 900 foot tree is more than twice that projected by some scientists working in that field as the maximum tree size obtainable in today’s gravity conditions. This means that gravity was somehow attenuated in the “distant” past.
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