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Black, Brown or White, The Egyptians on the Egyptians...
Not that it matters....Page 46

Here at s8int.com, it often happens that when we’re researching a particular topic, we come across other interesting information or data that we take note of and file away. Maybe a few months later we come across additional information on that filed away data and another area of research comes to the fore.

For some time we’ve been coming across interesting pieces of Egyptian art and we’ve filed those items away. The other day, we came across a White Supremacist site that was trying to make the case that the Egyptians were White or European.

This after many times previously having come across Afro-centric websites that were making the case that the Egyptians were Black Africans. They both can’t be right, but taking pride in the fact that someone living three thousand years ago had the same amount of melanin as you do is a bit like being proud that both yourself and George Washington had male pattern baldness.

A friend of mine mentioned several years ago that they had seen the King Tut traveling exhibition in Los Angeles and that their impression was that King Tut was “European” or at least certainly not Black or African. At the same table was another friend who said the she had seen King Tut in San Francisco, and that she had been surprised to learn that King Tut was Black.

The Egyptians left thousands of works of art behind, many masterpieces of art including thousands of depictions of themselves—so why is the ethnic make-up of the Egyptians still and open question? (All cultures have memories of huge, scaly, reptilian creatures, some who flew -dragons-and dinosaurs were huge, scaly reptilian creatures as well, but the paradigm is such that most people don't consider for a moment that these facts are related)

Back in 1956 when the Cecil B. DeMille’s Ten Commandments came out, Charlton Heston played Moses, Yul Brynner played Ramses II and Anne Baxter played Neferteri, all very well tanned. I believe that some of the “background” Egyptians were Black. If that Movie were being made today who would be cast as leads, we wonder?

As Christians, it doesn’t matter to us what color or race the Egyptians were, but it is still a matter of fact that can probably be established.

When reading the Bible as a child I remember wondering how it was that Moses fit in with the Egyptians? If you recall, Moses was born an Israelite, was placed in a basket in the Nile river and found and eventually raised as a son by Pharaoh’s daughter.

After he became a man, he saw an Egyptian abusing Hebrew slaves and killed him. When the crime was discovered, he fled to Midian.

Zipporah who later became Moses’ wife readily identified him as an Egyptian (Exodus 2). No doubt he was wearing Egyptian clothing but he apparently looked like an Egyptian as well. Now, I had seen the Ten Commandments and so wondered how Moses could pass as an Egyptian if he was really a Hebrew.

The same thing happened with Joseph in Egypt 400 years earlier. When Joseph’s brothers, who had sold him into slavery came to Egypt many years later during a famine, not only did they not recognize him, they readily accepted him as a high Egyptian official, as did their father when he was subsequently summoned by Joseph. (Genesis 42).

Joseph, of course was a Hebrew, so again I wondered, how did he make such a convincing Egyptian? Maybe the Hebrews and the Egyptians were not dissimilar racially from each other. They were all recent descendants of the eight people on the ark of Noah who are the ancestors of all peoples alive today.

Egyptian Dynasties

Early Dynastic Period • 1st Dynasty (2920 - 2770 BC)
• 2nd Dynasty (2770 - 2650 BC)

Old Kingdom
• 3rd Dynasty (2650 - 2575 BC)
• 4th Dynasty (2575 - 2467 BC)
• 5th Dynasty (2465 - 2323 BC)
• 6th Dynasty (2323 - 2152 BC)
First Intermediate Period (7th - 11th Dynasties) (2150 -1986 BC)
Middle Kingdom
• 11th Dynasty (1986 - 1937 BC)
• 12th Dynasty (1937 - 1759 BC)
Second Intermediate Period (13th - 17th Dynasties) (1759 - 1539 BC)
New Kingdom
• 18th Dynasty (1539 - 1295 BC) Akhenaton (1380-1362 BC),
• 19th Dynasty (1295 - 1186 BC) Ramses II (1279-1212 BC).
• 20th Dynasty (1186 - 1069 BC)
Third Intermediate Period (21st - 25th Dynasties) (1070 - 657 BC)
• 21st Dynasty (1070 - 945 BC)
• 22nd Dynasty (945 - 712 BC)
• 23rd Dynasty (828 - 725 BC)
• 24th Dynasty (725 - 715 BC)
• 25th Dynasty (712 - 657 BC)
Late Period
• 26th Dynasty (664 - 525 BC)
• 27th Dynasty (525 - 404 BC)
• 28th Dynasty (404 - 399 BC)
• 29th Dynasty (399 - 380 BC)
• 30th Dynasty (380 - 343 BC)
• 31st Dynasty (343 - 332 BC)

The "Bersheh procession" of offering bearers.
MFA 21.326. Middle Kingdom. 11th or 12th Dynasty.
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When Cecil B. made the movie, the Ten Commandments, he made a decision to place the Exodus during the 19th dynasty (1295 - 1186 BC) under the assumption that Pharaoh of the exodus was Ramses II (also Ramesses) and that his wife was Queen Neferteri.

On the other hand, many Biblical scholars and notably, Manetho, an Egyptian Priest (c. 300 BC) who wrote a valuable history of Egypt claims that the founder of monotheism, whom he called Osarsiph, assumed the name Moses and led his followers out of Egypt in Pharaoh Akhenaten's reign. The Bible itself doesn’t name the Pharaoh and of course, the Bible never mentions race.

Akhenaten, first known as Amenhotep IV was married to Nefertiti (not Nerferteri) and ruled Egypt in the 18th Dynasty, (1539 - 1295 BC), several hundred years before Ramses II’s reign, and was the first Egyptian Pharaoh to bring monotheism (one God worship) to Egypt.

What we plan to do is to allow the Egyptians themselves to answer these questions about their racial makeup visually through their own art. Again, we’re only going to look at art which was created by the Egyptians themselves, several thousand years ago. We would note that sometimes the materials that the Egyptians used (such as marble, stone or gold) obscured characteristics like skin color or hair color.

We’ll begin with Akhenaten and his family because we’re somewhat convinced that he was the Pharaoh who brought the plagues on Egypt by defying God through Moses and Aaron.

We’ll also look at Egyptian depictions of other royalty and of Egyptian life in general. We were surprised to find out that it wasn’t really a close question.

Pharoah Akhenaten's (Exodus Pharaoh)Parents
Queen Tiye and Amenhotep III

Amenhotep III and Queen Tiye
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Amenhotep III
"We believe that Amenhotep III ruled for almost 40 years during the 18th Dynasty of Egypt's history that represented one of its most prosperous and stable periods.

We must grant to Amenhotep III's grandfather, Tuthmosis III, who is sometimes referred to as the Napoleon of ancient Egypt, the foundation of this success by dominating through military action Egypt's Syrian, Nubian and Libyan neighbors." Jimmy Dunn

Queen Tiye
Although not of royal blood, Tiye's parents were sufficiently important within the court of Tuthmosis IV (the father of Amenhotep III) for her to have been regarded as the heiress whom Amenhotep was destined to marry.

Her parents (Israelites) were Yuya (who held the post of Kingνs Lieutenant of Chariotry and Master of the Horse) and Thuya who was an important court lady (Superintendent of the Harem of Min of Akhmim and of Amun of Thebes).

Tiye's parents were buried in the Valley of the Kings (as many nobles were) and their tomb was found intact in 1904, although not as grand as a Royal tomb it still held many treasures - including the mummies of both Yuya and Thuya.

Despite her non-royal origins, Tiye became the Great Royal Wife of Amenhotep III (the king did have many royal wives, but the Great Royal Wife was the most important and the heir and future pharaoh would be her son).

Tiye was frequently mentioned, or shown beside Amenhotep in sculptures, reliefs and inscriptions from the period, it is assumed that Tiye did have a strong effect on the state affairs of Egypt before and indeed after Amenhotep's death.

Mother of Amenhotep IV / Akhenaten.(the Pharaoh of Exodus?)

But perhaps her biggest effect on the history of Egypt was being the mother to the heretic king Amenhotep IV - later Akhenaten. Was it Tiye who first encouraged her son to follow her religious yearnings (monotheism, one God) no matter how controversial they were? Maybe Akhenaten inherited his mother's strong personality and this gave him the strength to go on and revolutionise the religion of Egypt.(or maybe he learned that lesson from Moses and God)

Three views of Amenhotep III (FATHER)
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Three views of Queen Tiye (Mother of Akhenaten, Exodus Phaoraoh)
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Queen Tiye and Amenhoptep III

Akhenaten (Akhenaton, born Amenhotep IV; Pharaoh Who Brought Plagues on Egypt?

"Akhenaten (meaning He who is beneficial to the Aten), first known as Amenhotep IV (sometimes read as Amenophis IV and meaning Amun is Satisfied) before his sixth year, was a Pharaoh of the Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt, especially notable for single-handedly restructuring the Egyptian religion to monotheistically worship the Aten.

He was born to Amenhotep III and his Chief Queen Tiye and was his father's younger son. Akhenaten was not originally designated as the successor to the throne until the untimely death of his older brother, Thutmose.

Amenhotep IV succeeded his father after Amenhotep III's death at the end of his 38-year reign, possibly after a coregency lasting between either 1 to 2 or 12 years.

Suggested dates for Akhenaten's reign (subject to the debates surrounding Egyptian chronology) are from 1353 BC-1336 BC or 1351 BC–1334 BC.

Akhenaten's chief wife was Nefertiti, who has been made famous by her exquisitely painted bust in the Altes Museum of Berlin"....Wikipedia

Manetho was an author and an Egyptian priest who was offered the patronage of the Ptolemaic court, the result of which was an orderly account, written in Greek, of the history of the Egyptian Pharaohs, which is still the basis of our conventional numbering of the dynasties.

He claims that the founder of monotheism, whom he called Osarsiph, assumed the name Moses and led his followers out of Egypt in Akhenaten's reign. A number of Christian scholars have reached the same conclusion.

3 views of Pharaoh Akhenaten, "Exodus Pharaoh" & 1 View with Wife, Nefertiti (Louvre Museum)
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4 views of Nefertiti,(not Neferteri) Wife of Pharaoh Akhenaten, "Exodus Pharaoh". 2 views of the Famous "Berlin Bust", an ancient Egyptian work that had her labeled as the world's most beautiful woman.
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Daughters of Pharaoh Akhenaten and Nefertiti.
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Ramses II

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"Ramesses II (also known as Ramesses the Great and alternatively transcribed as Ramses and Rameses *Riʕmīsisu) was an Egyptian pharaoh of the Nineteenth dynasty.

He is often regarded as Egypt's greatest and most powerful pharaoh. He was born ca. 1302 BC.

At age fourteen, Ramesses was appointed Prince Regent by his father Seti I. He is believed to have taken the throne in his early 20s and to have ruled Egypt from 1279 BC to 1213 BC for a total of 66 years and 2 months.

He was once said to have lived to be 99 years old, but it is more likely that he died in his 90th or 92nd year. Ancient Greek writers such as Herodotus attributed his accomplishments to the semi-mythical Sesostris, and he is traditionally believed to have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus due to a tradition started by Eusebius of Caesarea.

If he became king in 1279 BC as most Egyptologists today believe, he would have assumed the throne on May 31, 1279 BC based on his known accession date of III Shemu day 27 He also transported the Egyptian capital from Thebes to Ra'amses in the Delta"....Wikipedia

3 views of Ramses II, also thought by many to have been the Pharaoh of the exodus, along with one Egyptian depiction of Ramses II with his wife, Neferteri.
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King Tut

Nebkheperure Tutankhamun (alternately spelled with Tuten-, -amen, -amon; lack of written vowels in Egyptian allows for different transliterations) *tuwt-ʕankh-yamān was a Pharaoh of the Eighteenth dynasty (ruled 1333 BC – 1324 BC), during the period of Egyptian history known as the New Kingdom.

His original name, Tutankhaten, meant "Living Image of Aten", while Tutankhamun meant "Living Image of Amun". He is possibly also the Nibhurrereya of the Amarna letters.

In historical terms, Tutankhamun is of only moderate significance, and most of his modern popularity stems from the fact that his tomb in the Valley of the Kings was discovered almost completely intact. However, he is also significant as a figure who managed the beginning of the transition from the heretical Atenism of his predecessors Akhenaten and Smenkhkare back to the familiar Egyptian religion.

As Tutankhamun began his reign at age 9, his vizier and eventual successor Ay was probably making most of the important political decisions during Tutankhamun's reign. Nonetheless, Tutankhamun is, in modern times, the one of the most famous of the Pharaohs, and the only one to have a nickname in popular culture ("King Tut").

The 1923 discovery by Howard Carter of Tutankhamun's nearly intact tomb (subsequently designated KV62) received worldwide press coverage and sparked a renewed public interest in ancient Egypt, of which Tutankhamun remains the popular face.

Additional views of Tutankhamun. Second from left is a detail from the gold-covered and inlaid back panel of Tutankhamen's throne; the king is seated whilst his wife, Ankhesenpaaten, adjusts his broad collar. On display at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. Click and drag photo to resize.

General Egyptian Art Pieces

Left to Right, Below: Photo 1: Pair Statue of Iai-ib and Khuaut. Giza; Fourth Dynasty (ca. 2575–2465 B.C.E.). Painted limestone; H. 29 in. (73.5 cm). Universitδt Leipzig, Δgyptisches Museum (3684). Photo 2 Ni-ka-re, His Wife, and Their Daughter. Probably Saqqara; Fifth Dynasty, reign of Niuserre (ca. 2420–2389 B.C.E.) or later. Painted limestone; H. 22 1/2 in. (57 cm). The Metropolitan Museum of Art,
Photo 3: Heimunu Seated. Giza; Fourth Dynasty, later reign of Khufu (ca. 2540 B.C.E.). Limestone with remains of paint; H. 61 1/4 in. (155.5 cm). Roemer-und Pelizaeus-Museum, Hildesheim (1962).Photo 4:Life sized statues of Rahotep and his wife, Nofret dated to the 4th Dynasty (Old Kingdom, c. 2630 B.C.).
Photo 5: Statuette of Wah, Middle Kingdom, Dynasty 12, reign of Amenemhat I, Plastered and painted wood; linen; H. 12 5/8 in. (32.2 cm) Rogers Fund and Edward S. Harkness Gift.
Photo:6 Painted wooden model of a servant girl from a tomb excavated in Beni Hasan, northern Egypt. She is carrying a chest on her head and two geese in her hand. First Intermediate Period (2181 – 2040 BC) World Museum Liverpool

Photos: Left to Right: Photo 1: Grinding Woman od: Middle Kingdom- Dynasty 11-12 (2066-1781 BC) mensions: H: 21.8 cm.operties: Pigment; Wood. Photo 2: Egyptian slaves laying bricks, from the miniature funerary holdings of a New Kingdom tomb, ca. 12th century BCE. Photo 3: Inspector of scribes. Raherka and his wife Merseankh, ca 2350 BC . Photos 4 & 5: Egyptian boats from 2000 years B.C.. Virtual Egypt

Left: Model ca. 1985 B.C.E.; Dynasty 12, early reign of Amenemhat I; Middle Kingdom, Egyptian; Western Thebes, Gessoed and painted wood, linen twine, linen; L. 50 3/8 in. (128.9 cm), Rogers Fund and Edward S. Harkness Gift, 1920 (20.3.1)

Egyptian Hair with Modern Equivalents

Left Side: Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum & Planetarium

Hairpin, Comb, and Hair Extensions
Period:Middle Kingdom-New Kingdom- various (2066-1069 BC)
Description: This set of hairdresser’s implements aided a woman on her dressing table. Thick hair honored the goddess Hathor. The comb and the hairpin would be used to style the often elaborate hairsyles of the ancient Egyptian women.

Right Side: All products Hair Supply:
Period: Modern Day 2007
Description: Comb, hair extensions and wig making tools and supplies for making & maintaining hairpieces and wigs.

See Also: This French Museum Site has Several Pages of Egyptian Portraiture

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