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Dinosaurs In Literature, History and Art: Ancient Persian, Bambara and Pakistanian Sauropod Depictions? Ancient Hadrosaur, Pterodactyl Depictions? Did Glyptodonts Really Become Extinct 15,000 Years Ago? ...Page 86

by Chris Parker
Copyright s8int.com 2009

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Persian bracelet, approximately 500 B.C.

Dear friends, distinquished guests, creditors; can we take a moment to review? The term dinosaur does not appear in the Bible. That word wasn’t coined until 1842 and means; “fearfully great lizard”. Dragons are mentioned in the Bible however, and it appears to us that this was the term used throughout history to describe these various animals until-1842.

There are no creatures given a fuller description in the Bible than are the “dinosaurs” described in Job 40 and 41. In Genesis, the creation of the universe and of course every creature is described. This must include “dinosaurs”, if the Bible is true and accurate. Also, given that the Bible is true and accurate, dinosaurs were taken aboard the ark and thus survived the flood. (Since they hatch from eggs and never stopped growing, it is assumed that juvenile dinosaurs were taken aboard).

If the foregoing is true, then man and dinosaur interacted. If there is not then evidence that this is the case, (interaction) this would be a serious problem for Creationists. Many have provided evidence for this proof, and in our case, we believe that we’ve done so in over eighty pages of material in our section entitled “Dinosaurs in Literature, History and Art.”

We freely admit this evidence in many cases is subject to argument and interpretation. The evidence such that it is open to each individuals interpretation piece by piece but taken as a whole we believe it proves the point.

Sauropod Dinosaurs

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Persian bracelet, approximately 500 B.C., compared with head and skull of diplodocus. Note similarity of eye sockets, jaw lines and the matching bulges of Persian piece and diplodocus near the topof the head.

Sauropods are the largest and are certainly among the most easily recognizable “dinosaurs”. Curiously, despite their large size, few complete skeletons have been found and often the various types were named and reconstructed from only a few of its bones.

The fact that the skull falls off easily accounts for the wrong head initially having been placed on the brontosaurus, now apatosaurus. Throughout their discovery in the mid-1800’s though the early 1900’s and even as late as 1950, science has had some trouble deciding just how these creatures looked.

For quite a long time, they were drawn as aquatic animals and the attitude of their neck has been an area of contention. Nearly complete skeletons were discovered around 1877, but as late as 1910 they were still being drawn by some scientists with their humerus and femur at right angles to their bodies.

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Bambara peoples. Mali. 1800's

Science has decided that there are four main types of sauropods skulls/head shapes and of the four, we have two which if they are in fact sauropod representations, most closely match the diplodocus.

The first object of which we will make outrageous claims tonight is one of Persian manufacture at around 500 B.C. It is a bracelet for sale on an online antiquities bazaar called “Treasures of the World”.

We quote: “Made from heavy braided bronze, the terminals end with stylized animal heads with mouth wide open. Persian antiquities are authentic and come with a Certificate of Authenticity. Persian 500 BC”.

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Pakistan

Here we compare this long necked animal representation with the heads and skulls of current representations of diplodocus. There are a number of dinosaur representations in our dinosaur in ancient art and history that come from this part of the world. One can make up his/her own mind as to whether or not they believe this piece represents a long necked, sauropod dinosaur.

This next piece is identified by the gallery as an elongated dinosaur representation from the 1800’s. The quote is: “Elongated iron dinosaur, curved in shape, the figure with flattened features. Covered in a red rust patina. African antiquities are authentic and come with a Certificate of Authenticity. African 1800s”.

The Bambara are a large Mande racial group located mostly in the country of Mali. They are the largest and most dominant group in that country. Concerning this piece, there are sauropod dinosaurs with similar neck spines, for example, amargasaurus and dicraeosaurus but in fairness, the piece looks similar to some Bambara horses.

The next object is from Pakistan and what it depicts is the question of the day. The gallery suggests that it is a hippocampA hippocamp was a mythical horse with a fish’s tail. This is not a hippocamp with wings as the gallery describes it.

Malter Galleries description follows: Kushan, India / Pakistan, c. 2nd - 3rd century AD. A Ghandharan Stone carving from a larger composition depicting a Greco-Roman hippocamp with wings and serpent body coiled behind. Some losses, but a very nice piece showing the effect of Greco-Roman art in Central Asia. H: 7”. On custom base. $400

In our opinion it is actually a sauropod type dinosaur; feet raised in front- hiding/lying in a marsh with his long sauropod-like tail sticking out behind him through the marsh. What the gallery describes as wings are instead large, veined leaves. Leaves make up the background of the piece as well.

The graphic above is from the Arjan bowl, 650 B.C.; a similar dinosaur depiction from the same area of the world shows a sauropod (far left)hiding in a marsh. A number of sauropod skeletons were found in marshland.

The Glyptodont: Extinct 15,000 to 2 Million Years Ago?

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Dogon. Mali. 1800's

The glyptodont, a giant relative of the armadillo is supposed to have gone extinct only 15,000 years ago, however, even 15,000 years is longer ago than most Creationists believe that they earth even existed. Is there good evidence that science is wrong here too; that these creatures lived up until much more recent times? Columbus reported that he spotted glyptodonts on his trip to the Americas and there was a reported sighting in New Zealand in 1922. But what does science say about these creatures?

“Glyptodon (pronounced GLIP-toh-don) was one of the biggest ancient armadillos (belonging to the family Glyptodontidae). Fossils of this car-sized mammal have been found in Argentina, South America. Glyptodon (meaning "carved tooth") was named by paleontologist R. Owen in 1839. These herbivores (plant-eaters) may have been preyed upon by saber-toothed cats.

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Glyptodont comparison with artifact from the Dogon tribe in West Africa, 1800's.

Below, right is a hadrosaur representation from the Dogon people from the same time period.

Anatomy: This well-armored animal had heavy, dome-shaped body armor, helmet-like head armor, and rings of bony armor on its short tail. This mammal had four short, thick legs; the front feet each had five clawed toes and the rear feet were more hoof-like. It had a short snout and powerful jaws, with no teeth in the front of the mouth, but had grinding teeth farther back in the jaws. It was about 10 feet (3 m) long and 5 feet (1.5 m) tall.

Photo:Dogon dinosaur/hadrosaur from same period as glyptodont.

When Glyptodon Lived: Glyptodon lived in the Ice Ages, during the Pleistocene (between 2 million and 15,000 years ago). “ Enchanted Learning

Contrary to current scientific beliefs, glyptodont lived in West Africa at least through the 1800’s if the dates given for this artifact is correct. This is clearly (in our humble opinion) a detailed, accurate depiction of a glyptodont; less than 300 years old!

According to the description given by Treasures of the World; the object is; “A bronze rodent-like creature with openwork and circular geometrics to the surface, a button-like eye, straight tail. Loop to the top for wearing. Covered in a dark patina. African ntiquities are authentic and come with a Certificate of Authenticity. African 1800s."

A comparison of the piece with certain photos of a type of glyptodont appear to prove that the Mali tribesman knew and interacted with this animal in the very recent past.

Stylized Bird or …..

This “pin” could in fact be a “stylized bird” but it also bears a striking similarity to certain extinct flying reptiles… The description by the site, Treasures of the World, describes it this way:

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Luristan "stylized bird". 1200-800 B.C.

Top section of Bronze garment pin with a stylized bird. Hole for wearing. Dark green patina. Luristan antiquities are authentic and come with a Certificate of Authenticity. Luristan 1200-800 BC 1 1/2"

Here we provide an alternative identification in the form of a photo comparison.

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