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So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.

They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts....Eph 4:17

Truthfully Ms. Hamilton, My Dog Didn't Eat My Homework

Here at S8int.com, we get these letters from time to time, mostly by materialists who think they've posed some unanswerable questions and who want to have a little fun with us. Thus, we have no idea whether this letter from "Kiki" (name changed) is legitimate.

Our reply is not the be all and end all either but we only have so much time. We wanted to give future "Kiki's" or materialists as the case may be a head start on their next homework assignment.

What we can say for sure is;--Ms. Hamilton is a piece of work!

Dear S8int.com,

I am in 10th grade and need help.

We had to write an essay:

"Write a 5 page essay on Diversity of Life on Earth. In your discussion, consider such elements as environments, changes in ecologies, time, predation, etc.

Use sources besides your textbook that you find on the internet, library, etc. Footnotes are required."

I wrote on Noah's Flood and got a zero.

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.....Graphic by R. Francis

My teacher, Mrs. Hamilton, wrote:

1. The Noah's Flood story violates fundamental laws of nature like Conservation of Energy, conservation of momentum, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Therefore it must not have happened.

2. Noah's flood does not account for plants. Any plant kept under water for a month dies, as everyone knows. Except for some marsh plants, seaweed, etc., seeds also die when buried under water. When the ark landed, there would be no plants growing anywhere for herbivores to eat.

3. A world flood can not explain the Grand Canyon. If the water rose to cover Mt Ararat, 17,000 ft high, this would be a rate of more than 16 ft per hour (over every house in a mere 3 hours) or 425 ft per day.

Once land is covered by deep water, there is almost no erosion, like under deep lakes or the ocean. The idea of lots of turbulent rivers lasting for a long time is incorrect.

4. The Noah myth does not explain diversity. A single mating pair of animals does not contain enough genetic diversity to allow the species to continue--50 or more individuals are considered the minimum to save endangered species.

With a single pair, there would be incestuous inbreeding for several generations. Even the children of Noah's sons would have to mate with first cousins, which is illegal incest in most countries and religions.

5. The Noah myth contradicts the diversity of life in the seas. So much fresh water would dilute the saltiness of the oceans below where salt-water fish and invertebrates and seaweeds could survive.

Even mammals like whales and dolphins would die, and seals cannot swim constantly for seven months and there would be nothing to eat after all the fish died.

6. If you place a miracle on top of a miracle and spin 100 miracles together, you can "explain" anything. Science requires explanations based on evidence not miracles. Miracles and faith belong in Sunday school or temple, not in science classes.

Kiki, I am forced to give you a Zero on this assignment, and this could mean that you fail the class. However, I will give you a new grade if you do the original assignment PLUS write 5 more pages addressing these points 1-6.

Your new paper is due in class Fri, May 14.

Please help me. I want to go to college and pass this class. My mother is talking to the Principal, but I need help.

Thank you in advnace,

Kiki

OUR REPLY TO "KiKI"

Dear Kiki,

Thanks for writing.

Here at s8int.com we get lots of letters like this as you can imagine. The last two we received turned out to be from a 67 year old and 52 year old atheist from New Jersey and Maine, respectively.

Of course, it didn't surprise us that they were still in High School :0).

We're quite confident that with the communication skills that you have that you'll have no problem getting into college. Even a couple of us here at S8int.com got in.

Just a few points for you to present to Ms. Hamilton:

It always amuses us when someone "scientifically" deconstructs the flood of Noah without having basic facts correct.

It's not even necessary that Ms. Hamilton believe the account of course, but she needs to know that she has made mistakes on the internal consistency of the story by not reading it.

That's a bone headed mistake for someone touting "science". (We)reprint part of the account here:

Genesis 6

9 This is the account of Noah.

Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

14 So make yourself an ark of cypress [3] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. [4] 16 Make a roof for it and finish [5] the ark to within 18 inches [6] of the top.

Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks. 17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it.

Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark-you and your sons and your wife and your sons' wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you.

20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."

22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.

Genesis 7

1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven [1] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.

4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."

5 And Noah did all that the LORD commanded him. 6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings.

15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.

17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water.

19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [2] , [3] 21 Every living thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind.

22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.



1) We give Ms. Hamilton a zero for not knowing that there was one pair of some animals and seven pairs of others! That's 14. (Verse 2 above)

2)Please let Ms. Hamilton know that in 4) below (above) she has falsified The Theory of Evolution!--Unless she contends that all the species on earth spontaneously evolved 50 of each type simultaneously.

I'd say that the Flood model and the evolution model both start with less than the 50 she considers minimum.

Elaborate on how the Flood model has an advantage here in that there is a ready made breeding pair--or seven such pairs available. On the face of it, the 50 animal minimum for survival is a milk thru the nose snorter.

2) We’re not sure why Ms. Hamilton refers to the fundamental laws of nature with respect to the Flood. There is nothing in either the first or second law that would prevent it from raining for 40 days and nights straight or for the fountains of the deep to open.

On the contrary, the first law of physics states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. This negates the so called Big Bang Theory. Matter can't be created! Therefore, the universe could not have been born from such an explosion. There would have been nothing to explode. Only someone working outside this law could have created the universe. As Ms. Hamilton would put it; Therefore it must not have happened!

Ms. Hamilton first falsified evolution and here now has falsified the big bang theory.

The second law, works against the idea of the materialistic view of the universe and creation of life since systems would have to have become more complex over time- more organized over time. This is the exact opposite of what the second law says.[Entropy, systems become less organized, break down, lose energy]

Ask Ms. Hamilton about biogenesis. That means life from life and has never been falsified--proven incorrect. Ask her how animals evolved from non-living matter to living matter?

Matter that could not have been here in the first place due to the first law. Despite the first law, the second law and biogenesis, Ms. Hamilton probably still believes in evolution. Here's where you tell her that in your view:

"If you place a miracle on top of a miracle and spin 100 miracles together, you can "explain" anything. Science requires explanations based on evidence not miracles. Miracles and faith belong in Sunday school or temple, not in science classes."

3) You will note that according to the Flood account, which Ms. Hamilton muses on without the usefulness of actually reading it-the food and plant life was all taken on board!

See verse 21 above. Notwithstanding that, we are unwilling to accept Ms. Hamilton’s statements on the survival of plants and seeds since she has done so poorly on the rest of the science.

Herbivores: Prior to the flood (according to Genesis) man and the animals only ate plants. It was not until after the flood that they began to eat meat.

Genesis 3:18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.

Genesis 9:3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

4) Ms. Hamilton appears to object to the marrying of first cousins as if that were a "scientific" basis for disbelieving the flood (account). This is stupid for many reasons but again, (we) wonder if she realizes what kind of "marrying" would have been necessary if the theory of evolution were true? She's falsifying it again!

Not to put to fine a point on it, first cousins can marry in 20 of the fifty states of the United States and the District of Columbia as well! Not that (we) would advise it. (We're) willing to bet Ms. Hamilton is from one of the states that permit it. Just call it a hunch. ;0).

5) Ms. Hamilton places herself in the rather odd position of believing that the Grand Canyon was formed by water but that a flood that covered the earth to a great height could not have accomplished it!

Again if you read the account, it was not just that it rained, it was also that the fountains of the deep that opened. Point out that most of the earth is covered with sedimentary earth--generally left by water.

For a scientific rebuttal, (we) recommend this article on the Grand Canyon type phenomena occurring in hours and weeks at Mount St Helens. The Wonders of Mount St. Helens

6)Seals fit the definition of animals who would have been taken aboard. They had the breath of life in their nostrils. They did not breathe through the water. Ms. Hamilton speculates that the fish would have died. She states that whales would have died--and dolphins. Why?

Doubtless some did. As for salt water and fresh water--animals adapt. We see them adapt in the environments very well. What we don't see is that they can evolve from one species to the next.

People like Ms. Hamilton have a religion called atheism. Their minds are not easily changed. You're probably going to need a lot of help from your Mother and the principal.

Here are a few additional resources:

Origin of Life and the Suppression of the Truth

Which One?

Problems with Evolution Theory, by Pyle

The last one is by an atheist. He points out what he thinks is wrong with evolution-and creation. Good Luck.

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