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Video: Giant Obelisk Discovered In the Atlantic?

Church of Darwin, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jan 05 2013

Photo: Valley of the Pyramids. East Coast of the U.S. by F.M. Salichs
By Frank Martin Salich   

Note: Video access at end of this post.

We were initially contacted by Frank Martin Salich in early December. He wrote:

Hello. I’ve recently become convinced that God has preserved evidence of many pre-flood cities on the Earth’s ocean floors! I’ve discovered hundreds of miles of structures, and dozens of pyramids. There are cities with miles of straight rows of structures. Here are a few of the vast number of undersea structures which are all over the world’s oceans. My goal is to expose these images as much as possible for the world to see. “Whereby the world which then was, being overflowed with water perished.”
2 Peter 3: 6 GOD bless you. Frank

Along with his note he included 10 or 15 photos purportedly showing underwater objects around the world in the shape of pyramids or other potentially man formed shaped.

Now, we don’t have a problem with the idea of underwater cities and monuments; one of the early stories we covered here at concerned underwater pyramids and structures 1/2 mile down off the coast of Cuba. In fact we had a number of stories about that potential site”.

We still had questions about the “photos” he sent us. Were they actually photos? Graphics? What?
These are not photos, correct, Frank?

His response:

“That is correct. They are not photos. They are Googlearth6 images of underwater topography, and what I believe to be pyramids and man-made structures on the ocean’s floors. Googlearth6 provides an ocean application. You can explore the world’s oceans just like you would above ground with Googlearth6.

Photo: 4 Pyramids off of the Coast of Florida by F.M. Salichs
The satellite technology apparently creates accurate imagery of the topography. You can rotate your view and move around from place to place just like the above ground Googlearth. Shallow bodies of water will not always allow underwater imagery. I’ve found several pyramids off the SOUTHEAST coast of Florida, one of them probably being the one that’s been reportedly located with sonar. I’ll send you an image of it. I’ve also found 5 pyramids in the Bahamas.

Believe it or not, I’ve also found hundreds of pyramids off the eastern seaboard, from New Foundland to South Carolina. More recently, I’ve found pyramids in, of all places, the Gulf of Mexico, from Mississippi to Texas. I’ve saved images of pyramids, and what appear to be man-made structures, in the North and South Poles, the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.

I’ve invested hundreds of hours in search of these images and I want to share them with the world! I’ll send you a few more. I’ll continue to upload more images on Look up ‘Undersea Pyramid’. Martin

O.K. What we wanted to know as well is whether his work could be duplicated? Could anyone, given the proper coordinates and with the use of Googlearth6 find his same objects? I did verify that with Googlearth6 one can “go under water” and move around on the sea bottom; virtual-ly. I did so, myself and it looks like the photos we have here-absent the objects. I wasn’t able to find any of his objects but I only spent a few minutes verifying that it could be done. It’s difficult to get the hang of moving around on the sea floor.

Another concern I/we have is about the technology for assembling these images using sonar and/or side scan sonar. Does the technology itself create artifacts? Does it create 90 degree angles or corners that aren’t actually a feature of the object being scanned? We still don’t know the answers to those questions.

Photo:6 points ” cathedral” pyramid by F.M. Salichs
Back in 2009, , a grid pattern in the water off the coast of northern Africa raised speculation that it contained the streets of Atlantis, the legendary sunken city, but Google poured cold water on the idea. Google asserted that the unusual grid pattern was caused by sonar boats that collected the radar data.

Will this be a similar case? It is reasonable to suppose that if there was indeed a worldwide flood as I believe, that there might be large man made artifacts left under the world’s oceans.

Mr. Salichs has produced a video showing one of his artifacts; a 640 foot obelisk that he says he found off the coast of New Jersey. The video shows him virtual-ly moving above and around the object. Here’s a concern I have about the monument–what’s the terrestrial analogue? I mean where on dry land is a similar object?

Here’s his video intro. Thanks for giving us a look, Frank.

“While exploring the oceans with GOOGLE EARTH6 I found a 640 ft obelisk style tower. It is located approx. 120 mls off the coast of New Jersey. Sitting on a very large plane, with no other structures nearby for miles, it is taller than the Washington Monument, which stands at 555.5 ft. The base is rectangular with the long sides running from north to south.

Photo: Base of the Obelisk by F.M. Salichs

On the east side of the base you can clearly see squared sections with very long, straight lines and right angles angling away from the base. The lower east portion of the base has a large round opening, showing it to be hollowed out.

The tower is cylindrical and stands straight, like a towering redwood tree, with the top coming to a fine point. 10 miles east of this obelisk is a 3 sided pyramid and 14 miles west of it near the continental shelf are dozens and dozens of pyramids, very clearly visible and defined by GOOGLE EARTH6 satellite imagery. I will be posting more videos and images of these very shortly.”…Frank Martin Salichs, December 25, 2012

Was the story of Noah’s Ark true? Archaeologist who found the Titanic claims Biblical flood DID happen 12,000 years ago

Church of Darwin, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Dec 11 2012

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed….Luke 17

Some Christians are hailing this article and the scientific discoveries underlying them as support for the Biblical view of the earth’s history. Bible skeptics are feeling the pinch a bit and are defensively talking about Gilgamesh and flood legends that they would like to believe began before the Biblical story in Genesis. Christians however should accept nothing short of the Biblical world-wide flood–not some pseudo scientific replacement explanation for the real event. Where ever the reader is standing it is likely over or around sedimentary rock-which covers the entire planet. “Sedimentary rocks are types of rock that are formed by the deposition of material at the Earth’s surface and within bodies of water….The sedimentary rock cover of the continents of the Earth’s crust is extensive…Wikipedia

Nearly every ancient civilization has its own story of the great worldwide flood. 70% of the surface of the planet is covered with water and there are oceans of water under the surface of the earth. This kind of evidence to us is more important because it points to the worldwide Genesis flood and not to a local flood–no matter how widespread…

Was the story of Noah’s Ark true? Archaeologist who found the Titanic claims Biblical flood DID happen 12,000 years ago

A flood of Biblical proportions just like in the story of Noah’s Ark may have actually happened, according to the oceanographer who found the Titanic.

Acclaimed underwater archaeologist Robert Ballard claims his team of researchers have uncovered evidence that suggests The Great Flood described in the Bible was actually based on real events. Mr Ballard told how he investigated a controversial theory proposed by two scientists from Columbia University that there was a massive flood in the Black Sea region.

In an interview withABC News, he said around 12,000 years ago much of the world was covered in ice and the Black Sea had been a freshwater lake surrounded by farmland.

But when the glaciers began to melt during a warming period in the cycle of the Earth’s temperature around 5600BC water rushed toward the world’s oceans, Mr Ballard said.

This, he claimed, caused floods all around the world and water cascaded through Turkey’s Straits of Bosporus towards the Black Sea.

‘Where I live in Connecticut was ice a mile above my house, all the way back to the North Pole, about 15 million kilometers, that’s a big ice cube,’ he said.

‘But then it started to melt. We’re talking about the floods of our living history. The questions is, was there a mother of all floods?’

His research follows a 1997 study by William Ryan and Walter Pitman who, drawing on archaeological and anthropological evidence, claimed that ‘ten cubic miles of water poured through each day’, and that the deluge continued for at least 300 days.

More than 60,000 square miles of land were flooded, they said, and the lake’s level rose by hundreds of feet after merging with the Mediterranean, triggering mass animal migrations across Europe.

According to their study, the force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path. It also transformed the Black Sea from an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland into a saltwater inlet.

The researchers, whose findings have been backed up by carbon dating and sonar imaging, claimed that the story of Noah’s flood had its origin in this cataclysmic event.

‘We went in there to look for the flood,’ Mr Ballard told ABC News. ‘Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed… The land that went under stayed under.’

The team found an ancient shoreline which Mr Ballard believes is proof such an event did take place.
He believes that, by using carbon dating shells found along the shoreline four hundred feet below the surface, it took place around 5,000 BC.

‘It probably was a bad day,’ he said. ‘At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under.’

As the theory goes, the story of the disaster was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.

Noah is described in the Bible as a family man, a father of three, who is about to celebrate his 600th birthday.

‘In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years,’ said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York.

‘Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don’t quite know what to do with that. So sometimes those large numbers, I think, also serve to reinforce the mystery of the text.’

‘It probably was a bad day,’ he said. ‘At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under.’

Mr Ballard’s team has also found an ancient shipwreck, as well as ancient pottery. Although he does not think he will ever find Noah’s Ark, he believes he may find evidence of an ancient community washed away.

In the book of Genesis, God despairs of human corruption and decides to flood the Earth, instructing Noah to build an ark to save himself, his family and a pair of each animal species. The Ark is described in the Book of Genesis as 300 cubits long, or approximately 450ft (137m), but despite many rumours and claims of sightings, no scientific evidence of its existence has ever been found.

‘The oldest shipwreck that we have discovered so far of that area is around 500 BC, classical period,’ Mr Ballard said. ‘But the question is you just keep searching. It’s a matter of statistics.’

Mr Ballard, who led the international team that located the wreckage of the Titanic in 1985, does not think he will ever find Noah’s Ark.

However, Mr Ballard does think he may find evidence of a people whose entire world was washed away about 7,000 years ago. He and his team said they plan to return to Turkey next summer.

‘It’s foolish to think you will ever find a ship,’ Mr Ballard said, referring to the Ark. ‘But can you find people who were living? Can you find their villages that are underwater now? And the answer is yes.’
According to Genesis 8:4, it came to rest ‘in the mountains of Ararat’. Experts have agreed that these mountains are to be located in present-day Armenia and eastern Turkey.

Many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular ‘The Epic of Gilgamesh.’

These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.

‘The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans,’ said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline.

‘There’s one man they choose to survive. He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it’s the same story.’

Catastrophic events of this kind are not unique to the Bible. Some contemporary examples include the 2004 tsunami that wiped out villages on the coasts of 11 countries surrounding the Indian Ocean.

There was also Hurricane Katrina, described as the worst hurricane in United States history.

Scholars aren’t sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters, but they do think the experiences of people in ancient times were similar to our own.

‘If you witness a terrible natural disaster, yes, you want a scientific explanation why this has happened,’ said Karen Armstrong, author of A History of God.

‘But you also need to something that will help you to assuage your grief and anguish and rage. And it is here that myth helps us through that.’

Regardless of whether the details of the Noah story are historically accurate, the author believes this story and all the Biblical stories are telling us ‘about our predicament in the world now.’

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10,000 Individual Centrosaurus Fossils Buried at Dinosaur Park
Were All Ceratopsians Destroyed Except Those on the Ark?

Church of Darwin, Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature,, Science, The Flood of Noah | Posted by Chris Parker
Aug 20 2012

by Chris Parker, Copyright 2012

“Now the flood was on the earth forty days. The waters increased and lifted up the ark, and it rose high above the earth. The waters prevailed and greatly increased on the earth, and the ark moved about on the surface of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth, and all the high hills under the whole heaven were covered.

The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered. And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man. All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died. So He destroyed all living things which were on the face of the ground: both man and cattle, creeping thing and bird of the air. They were destroyed from the earth. Only Noah and those who were with him in the ark remained alive. And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days”….Genesis 7


In a 2001 article in Palaios entitled “The Taphonomy of a Centrosaurus (Omithischia:Certopsidae) Bone Bed from the Dinosaur Park Formation (Upper Campanian), Alberta, Canada, with Comments on Cranial Ontogeny”, authors MICHAEL J. RYAN and ANTHONY P. RUSSELL of the University of Calgary and David Eberth and Philip Currie of the Royal Tyrell Museum of Palaeontology attempt to come to grips with a huge fossil graveyard made up almost entirely of the remains of potentially thousands of Centrosaurus apertus, individuals who apparently died simultaneously as the result of some ancient catastrophe. Centrosaurus was considered a “medium sized” dinosaur with an average size of between 18 to 20 feet (6 meters) bearing a single, large horn over its nose.

In the past science has visited this location in Alberta, in terms of scientists and of scientific studies but much of the prior research about the dinosaur fossils there was centered on how finding these fossil herds informed science about the social behaviors of cerotopsian dinosaurs and dinosaurs in general. In this article, the authors focus more on the taphonomy of the formation and the events leading up to fossil deposition at the site.

Taphonomy is the study of decaying organisms over time and how they become fossilized (if they do). The term taphonomy (from the Greek taphos -meaning burial, and nomos – meaning law) was introduced to paleontology in 1940 by Russian scientist Ivan Efremov to describe the study of the transition of remains, parts, or products of organisms, from the biosphere, to the lithosphere, i.e. the creation of fossil assemblages….Wikipedia

What do the authors surmise happened to these dinosaurs? And, what do they suppose is the most likely way that fossils are created-especially a site where thousands of such fossils created at the same time? Do the authors believe that the huge numbers of fossilized individuals found there died as a result of some catastrophe or that that fossils were accumulated by some means over a long period of time?

Those answers in a moment but I want to mention that as extraordinary as the Dinosaur Park Bone Bed is, it is not the first huge dinosaur graveyard to be discovered on this planet that would cause such questions to be raised. For example there are an estimated 800 billion fossils at the Karoo Supergroup in South Africa. There were so many fossils estimated to be there that many initially “creationists” worried that the estimate might be too high to fit the Genesis flood theory. Now everyone more or less agrees that there are upwards of 800 billion veterbrate fossils buried there.

“Massive fossil graveyards of dinosaurs still exist all over the world. The Morrison beds in North America, the dinosaur beds in Montana, in the Rocky Mountains, in Alberta, the Dakotas, China, Colorado, Utah, Africa, etc., etc., contain literally millions of dinosaur fossils piled together in tremendous heaps. Ten thousand Hadrosaurs were found on Egg Mountain, Monatana alone, jumbled together in what appears to have been a mass death.” Darwin Papers, James Foard

That represents a very short list of the dinosaur and fossil bone beds found around the world. For instance, another bone bed, the Sicilian “hippopotamus beds” are so extensive that they are mined as a source of charcoal.

This is what one might expect if one had read and believed the Genesis account of the great flood but it is more problematic for the science of the current paradigm which favors uniformatism over catastrophism in explaining the history of the planet.

There is yet at least one other issue related to dinosaur and mammalian fossils that scientists are loathe to discuss out there in the public where Bible believers might see it. That is the fact that; dinosaurs died agonizing deaths!

An article in LiveScience, June 2007 provides some details.

“Fossilized dinosaurs often have wide-open mouths, heads thrown back and tails that curve toward the head. Paleontologists have long assumed the dinosaurs died in water and the currents drifted the bones into that position, or that rigor mortis or drying muscles, tendons and ligaments contorted the limbs.”

Asphyxiation is the cause claims a veterinarian who studied many of the fossils. Of course, asphyxiation is consistent with drowning.

Conclusions reached in the lead article regarding the taphonomy of the Alberta, Canada Dinosaur Park Formation:

Cause of death: The bone bed is dominated by the disarticulated, mostly fragmentary and slightly abraded remains of Centrosaurus apertus, with minor occurrences of other taxa, notably teeth from the large tyrannosaurid Albertosaurus libratus. Fossils occur in a stacked to amalgamated succession of lag deposits, deposited and reworked at the erosional base of a paleochannel. The most parsomonious scenario suggests that Centrosaurus material represents part of a large aggregation of animals (possibly numbering in the thousands) that died by drowning on the alluvial plain.

Catastrophy or Fossils Deposited Over Time: “This site may represent an upriver accumulation of the same centrosaur material in BB 43. If these two sites are part of the same bone bed then the original number of dead centrosaurs may have numbered in the tens of thousands. The data presented in this study support a catastrophic death for the original Centrosaurus assemblage. The low diversity assemblage with an almost uniform taphonomic signature suggests that a large group of one species was killed in one place at the same time, then disarticulated and transported to their final resting place very quickly, probably in under a few years.”

Most Likely Cause of Fossillization of Entire Herd: “Kurten (1952) points out that while mass deaths do occur, they are fairly rare. Behrensmeyer (1975) suggests that it is the exception (drowning) that usually produces a fossil, while “normal” life habits leave little or no fossil evidence. Given the rarity of fossilization, it would seem like ly that the record of a mass death would best be preserved if it was tied to a specific instance that increased the chances of fossilization, such as in a mass death by drowning.”

The Bible is not a “scientific” book. When Christians endeavor to explain biblical events scientifically, we leave the inerrancy of the Bible and in many ways become subject to the same errors as secular scientists who try to explain the history of this planet scientifically.

What we can say is that given our belief in a worldwide flood exactly as described in Genesis, the fact that huge fossil bone beds have been discovered around the world, and given the unique way fossils are formed (in water) and acknowledging the further fact that many of these animals died of asphyxiation we believe that the Genesis account of a great, worldwide flood is strongly supported by the data.


See Also crypto-zoo-archaeological mysteries challenge conventional histories; the ceratopsian dinosaur and the elephant in ancient South-America

A Lost World? Atlantis-Like Landscape Discovered

Church of Darwin, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jul 11 2011

This image of the ancient buried landscape discovered deep beneath the sediment of the North Atlantic Ocean was made using sound waves bounced off different rock layers. An ancient meandering riverbed is visible.
CREDIT: R A Hartley et al.

Comment: We know of only one flood large enough to submerge “eight major rivers” and it wasn’t 30 million years ago. The recent global flood in the time of Noah…

Article by: Wynne Parry Date: 10 July 2011, LiveScience

Buried deep beneath the sediment of the North Atlantic Ocean lies an ancient, lost landscape with furrows cut by rivers and peaks that once belonged to mountains. Geologists recently discovered this roughly 56-million-year-old landscape using data gathered for oil companies.

“It looks for all the world like a map of a bit of a country onshore,” said Nicky White, the senior researcher. “It is like an ancient fossil landscape preserved 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) beneath the seabed.”

So far, the data have revealed a landscape about 3,861 square miles (10,000 square km) west of the Orkney-Shetland Islands that stretched above sea level by almost as much as 0.6 miles (1 km). White and colleagues suspect it is part of a larger region that merged with what is now Scotland and may have extended toward Norway in a hot, prehuman world.

History beneath the seafloor

The discovery emerged from data collected by a seismic contracting company using an advanced echo-sounding technique. High pressured air is released from metal cylinders, producing sound waves that travel to the ocean floor and beneath it, through layers of sediment. Every time these sound waves encounter a change in the material through which they are traveling, say, from mudstone to sandstone, an echo bounces back.

Microphones trailing behind the ship on cables record these echoes, and the information they contain can be used to construct three-dimensional images of the sedimentary rock below, explained White, a geologist at the University of Cambridge in Britain.

The team, led by Ross Hartley, a graduate student at the University of Cambridge, found a wrinkly layer 1.2 miles (2 km) beneath the seafloor — evidence of the buried landscape, reminiscent of the mythical lost Atlantis.

The researchers traced eight major rivers, and core samples, taken from the rock beneath the ocean floor, revealed pollen and coal, evidence of land-dwelling life. But above and below these deposits, they found evidence of a marine environment, including tiny fossils, indicating the land rose above the sea and then subsided — “like a terrestrial sandwich with marine bread,” White said.

The burning scientific question, according to White, is what made this landscape rise up, then subside within 2.5 million years? “From a geological perspective, that is a very short period of time,” he said.

The giant hot ripple

He and colleagues have a theory pointing to an upwelling of material through the Earth’s mantle beneath the North Atlantic Ocean called the Icelandic Plume. (The plume is centered under Iceland.)

The plume works like a pipe carrying hot magma from deep within the Earth to right below the surface, where it spreads out like a giant mushroom, according to White. Sometimes the material is unusually hot, and it spreads out in a giant hot ripple.

The researchers believe that such a giant hot ripple pushed the lost landscape above the North Atlantic, then as the ripple passed, the land fell back beneath the ocean.

This theory is supported by other new research showing that the chemical composition of rocks in the V-shaped ridges on the ocean floor around Iceland contains a record of hot magma surges like this one. Although this study, led by Heather Poore, also one of White’s students, looked back only about 30 million years, White said he is hopeful ongoing research will pinpoint an older ridge that recorded this particular hot ripple.

Because similar processes have occurred elsewhere on the planet, there are likely many other lost landscapes like this one. Since this study was completed, the researchers have found two more recent, but less spectacular, submerged landscapes above the first one, White said.

Both studies appear today (July 10) in the journal Nature Geoscience.

After the Flood; A Graveyard Planet-Video

Church of Darwin, Religious,, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 07 2011

We Stand on the Shoulders of Those Who Came Before Us –but Also on Their Heads, Backs, Stomachs and Feet! (and etc.) : Prologue Of all that lived prior to the flood; (flora and fauna) w e have burned their bodies or their remains for thousands of years for fuel. We utilize them in our cars and our machines. Their Detritus in their current forms are used to build houses and walls and streets and as binding agents. The mountains that we climb are made up of the remains of microscopic dead animals.

The chemicals that made up the bones of the pre-flood living are used to fertilize our crops and gardens. Their remains may even be worn around our necks or on our fingers as jewelry. This planet is a vast graveyard and the life that existed before the flood is buried or entombed all around us-and are mute witnesses to Genesis.

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Paper; Geological Time-Scale Off Between 99.95% to 99.99%? Analysis of the Main Principles of Stratigraphy on the Basis of Experimental Data

Church of Darwin, Science, The Flood of Noah, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Mar 13 2011

Photo: Guy Berthault, the author is a graduate of The Ecole Polytechnique, France, and a member of the International Association of Sedimentologists and lives in Paris, France.

Submitted by A. Slater (Thank you A.-it is interesting :0) )

Article: Analysis of the Main Principles of Stratigraphy on the Basis of Experimental Data
A New Approach : Paleohydraulic Analysis by Guy Berthault

“When I started my experiments on strata formation I was surprised to find how little work had been done on the subject in the past. Of course, sediments had been examined and flume experiments performed in connection with building and other projects, but none with the object of explaining the mechanics of stratification.

I searched the data banks but found little to help with my research. I began to realise that the basic principles of superposition, continuity and initial horizontality laid down in the seventeenth century had been accepted, albeit with developments, virtually without question. There seemed to have been little attempt to examine the actual mechanics involved.

Yet a few simple experiments, first with laminae and later with strata revealed that the time needed for micro or macro strata formation was of quite a different order to that generally accepted. The implications were far-reaching both as concerns the geological time-scale and the fossil record. It was not until 1999 that there seemed to be an awakening to the idea that geological ages are measured by the time taken for sediments to deposit and not by biological revolutions or orogeny.

Prof. Gabriel Gohau of the French Geological Society confirmed this fact in his book A History of Geology (1999):

« Ce qui mesure le temps, ce sont les durées de sédimentation, sur lesquelles tout le monde est plus ou moins d’accord, et non celles des orogenèses et des « révolutions » biologiques. »

(Translation: Time is measured by the time taken for sediments to deposit, a fact upon which everybody is more or less agreed, and not by orogenesis or “biological “revolutions”)

Prof. Gohau mentioned in his work how Charles Lyell was influenced in the construction of the geological time scale by his belief in biological « revolutions» occurring over 240 millions of years. In the 20th century this figure was replaced by radiometric “absolute” dating of 525 million years. Such a figure is based upon the belief that igneous rocks can be dated radiometrically.

Criticisms of radiometric dating have been growing over recent years and following the chronology shown by our experiments I have looked at the basic premises upon which such dating is based. There indeed seem to be good physical reasons to challenge it.

In his book “Radioelements” (Masson 1966) Daniel Blanc wrote: “no variation of the radioactive constant has been observed whatever the experimental conditions, showing that it is independent of the conditions in which the radio-elements are placed.”

This is particularly the case for temperature and pressure which determine the change of state of magma to crystalline rock. Radioactivity would not, therefore, appear to be affected by the change of state; consequently it could not be used to date an igneous rock at the moment of its crystallisation.

Moreover, the elements present in the rock at the time of crystallisation came from the magma in which gravitation determined their position: they need not necessarily, therefore, be parent and daughter from the same radioactive element.

The problem of exaggerated time scales resulted from the work of Nicolas Stenon, originator of geological principles in the seventeenth century. Stenon did not take into account the effect of a turbulent water current on the formation of strata. His principles were based upon his observations but since no hydraulic laboratories existed at the time his principles were not tested experimentally.

Our experiments on the formation of strata are fundamental because they demonstrate, ‘inter alia’, that in a continuous turbulent current many superposed strata form simultaneously and progress together in the direction of the current; they do not form successively as believed originally. These experiments explain a mechanism of strata building, showing empirically the rapid formation of strata.

The important advances in sequence stratigraphy that have been taking place during the period of our research harmonise with our experiments. For instance, systems tracts composed of several strata are considered isochronous by sequential stratigraphy; a fact that we have demonstrated in the laboratory.

The paleovelocity of current below which particles of given size are deposited and the corresponding capacity of sedimentary transport of the current can be determined experimentally. These two criteria ascertain the time required for sequence deposition. Consequently, recent paleohydraulic analyses undertaken by our colleagues in Russia confirm the shorter time for sequences to deposit than the geological time attributed to it.

As reported in the latest publication (G.Berthault, A.Lalomov, M.Tugarova., Lithological and Mineral Resources. Vol.1, 2011) Reprint Source the time of sedimentation of the St. Petersburg sequence represents only 0.05% of the time refered to by the geologic time scale.

We believe the foregoing shows the need for a fundamental revision of geological chronology integrating the new data and based upon observation checked by experiment.”…Guy Berthault.

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Evangelists Claim Noah’s Ark Found; Mount Ararat Explorers: ‘We Think It is 99.9 Percent That This Is It’

Religious,, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Apr 28 2010


Prior Noah’s Ark Related Stories on This Blog
Noah’s Ark Nestled on Mount Ararat?
Turkey: Noah’s Ark Anomaly Gets a New Image
Bob Cornuke’s Base Institute Noah’s Ark Located in Iran Online Video

Evangelists Claim Noah’s Ark Found;Mount Ararat Explorers: ‘We Think It is 99.9 Percent That This Is It’By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily, April 27, 2010

A new claim is being made for the discovery of Noah’s Ark, as evangelical explorers from China and Turkey believe they may have found the remnants of the legendary biblical vessel.

“It’s not 100 percent that it is Noah’s Ark but we think it is 99.9 percent that this is it,” Yeung Wing-cheung, a Hong Kong documentary filmmaker and member of the 15-person team from Noah’s Ark Ministries International, told Agence France-Presse.

The team says it recovered wooden specimens from a structure on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey at an altitude of 13,000 feet and that carbon dating suggested it was 4,800 years old.

Is this a beam from Noah’s Ark? Explorers with Noah’s Ark Ministries International have released this photo of a wooden structure it says it has documented at an altitude of 13,000 feet on Mount Ararat in Turkey

Several compartments, some with wooden beams, are said to be inside and could have been used to house animals, the group indicated.

Another NAMI explorer, Yuen Manfai, said at the Hong Kong news conference: “The search team and I personally entered a wooden structure high on the mountain. The structure is partitioned into different spaces. We believe that the wooden structure we entered is the same structure recorded in historical accounts and the same ancient boat indicated by the locals.”

The group of archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement, explaining one had never been found above 11,500 feet in the vicinity.

“The search team has made the greatest discovery in history,” said Prof. Oktay Belli, an archaeologist at Istanbul University. “This finding is very important and the greatest up to now.”

Photo:In this photo from Noah’s Ark Ministries International, an explorer is investigating a wooden structure on Mount Ararat in Turkey that may be the remnant of Noah’s Ark mentioned in the Bible.

Ahmet Ertugrul, leader of the search team, was first to get information on the location before commencing the hunt.

“I got to know the secret location in June 2008,” he said. “The source told me that this is Noah’s Ark. I took a team there for the search around the region and found a wooden structure. I took some photographs of the interior structure. Since I have worked closely with NAMI for some years, I informed them of the discovery.”

The team also said local officials would ask the national government in Ankara to apply for United Nations World Heritage status so the site can be protected during an archaeological dig.

As WND has reported, after centuries of scouring the Earth for Noah’s Ark, numerous claims have been flooding in over the past few years regarding possible discoveries of the Old Testament ship.

In June 2006, a 14-man crew that included evangelical apologist Josh McDowell said it returned from a trek to a mountain in Iran with possible evidence of the ark’s remains.

The group, led by explorer Bob Cornuke, found an unusual object perched on a slope 13,120 feet above sea level.

They said some of the wood-like rocks they tested proved to be petrified wood.

Meanwhile, another ark hunter is the late Edward Crawford, a former draftsman illustrator for the U.S. military who taught Christian theology at Evergreen Bible Presbyterian Church in the Seattle area.

Crawford made numerous climbs up Ararat and said in 1990, he discovered a large, rectangular structure buried in the ice at an elevation of 14,765 feet.

“I don’t have any doubt about it at all, and the Turks don’t either,” he told WND.

He said the structure sits under snow and ice, which he called “ridiculously hard stuff.”

Crawford put much of his discovery online at a website called Project von Bora, where photographs and diagrams are available, and he believed the structure has 90-degree angles.

Edward Crawford believed a rectangular Noah’s Ark lies at this location on Mount Ararat (courtesy Edward Crawford).

“Those don’t happen in nature,” he said. “If you think someone went up there to build that, it would take a greater miracle than the Flood [of Noah] itself.”

Not far from Crawford’s “structure” on Mount Ararat is something which made headlines in March 2006 with the release of a new, high-resolution digital image of what has become known as the “Ararat Anomaly.”

Satellite image of ‘Ararat Anomaly,’ taken by DigitalGlobe’s QuickBird Satellite in 2003 (courtesy: DigitalGlobe).

The location of the anomaly on the mountain’s northwest corner has been under investigation from afar by ark hunters for years, but it has remained unexplored, with the government of Turkey not granting any scientific expedition permission to explore on-site.

“I’ve got newfound optimism … as far as my continuing push to have the intelligence community declassify some of the more definitive-type imagery,” Porcher Taylor, an associate professor in paralegal studies at the University of Richmond, said at the time.

For more than three decades, Taylor has been a national security analyst, and has also served as a senior associate for five years at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.

“I had no preconceived notions or agendas when I began this in 1993 as to what I was looking for,” he said. “I maintain that if it is the remains of something man-made and potentially nautical, then it’s potentially something of biblical proportions.”

The anomaly remains ensconced in glacial ice at an altitude of 15,300 feet, and Taylor says the photos suggest its length-to-width ratio is close to 6:1, as indicated in the Book of Genesis.

The Source for This Story, larger and additional Photos and Story Located Here

An Alternate Take on the “Discovery” by Clifford Paiva, Retired senior physicist and satellite-imagery analyst for the U.S. Navy’s Naval Surface Warfare Center

Ian of Ian’s Creation Blog believes its a Hoax on the Chinese Scientists. He seems to be an Insider.

Michael S. Heiser is also of the opinion that this is all an elaborate hoax

Thanks To: Shane, and K. Griffith.

After The Flood; A Graveyard Planet: Fossil Fuels and Facile Fools, False Dates and Phosphates. We Stand on the Shoulders of Those Who Came Before Us –but Also on Their Heads, Backs, Stomachs and Feet! (and etc.)

Church of Darwin, Dinosaurs in Literature, Giants in Those Days,, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Mar 01 2010


It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of the wisdom of man, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of unbelief.

It was the best of times from the standpoint of men (or so they thought) because they were eating and drinking, singing, dancing, partying, getting married and doing anything and everything they wanted. Every evil desire was realized. They acknowledged no master and no God; the way many live today.

It was the worst of times because within a few days every living thing that had the breath of life in it would be dead-except for Noah and the seven righteous people with him-together with the animals they had brought with them on the ark. Much of the creation that God had called good and very good had been destroyed-and the bodies of man and of the animals and the dead vegetation in and out of the seas still litter this planet-if one knows where to look.


If you’re fortunate enough to own one of the newer computers with a multi-core processor, perhaps a dual or a quad core chip, congratulations; you are utilizing on a daily basis technology near the summit of man’s technical ability. Some of the newer microchips now use 45 nanometer scale technology that can pack over a billion transistors on a single chip.

It would be common for science to refer to the advancing capability of these wonders of man’s technical prowess as the “evolution” of the micro-chip—but of course, these chips have all been intelligently designed. No one could be convinced that either the microchips that drive computers nor the software that instructs them came about by accident or that they were self created over time-but this is what we are asked to believe about much more complex, intelligently designed artifacts like DNA –and like life itself.

Photo, right:Dude, I’m getting a Dale!

(Article Here) We are truly “fearfully and wonderfully made! Psalm 139

The objective evidence from astronomy, cosmology, biology and geology verify that the universe and everything in it was created by God. However, science, the media and the educational system continue to barrage us with Materialistic, Atheistic approaches to our origins — which thankfully the majority of the American people continue to reject. According to a recent survey, the majority of us still accept the literal truth of the Bible.

I was struck by a recent Nova program that began by stating unequivocally in stentorian tones that the Great Flood was nothing but a mere myth –perhaps inspired by a huge, regional flood of the Black Sea. Later that night they were no doubt seeking pledges but I had already changed channels. It’s no wonder that Atheists and Materialists refuse to accept the truth of a world-wide flood; at that time in the planet’s past every single non-believer on earth perished.

Photo: The Deluge by Gericault. Click to Zoom

Of all that lived prior to the flood; we have burned their bodies or their remains (flora and fauna) for thousands of years for fuel. We utilize them in our cars and our machines. Their Detritus in their current forms are used to build houses and walls and streets. The chemicals in their bones are used to fertilize our crops and gardens. Their remains may even be worn around our necks or on our fingers as jewelry.

This planet is a graveyard and the life that existed before the flood is buried or entombed all around us.

We should not be surprised at this. As the Bible tells us; “By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.” Gen 3:19

We stand on the shoulders of those who died before the flood, but also on their heads, backs, stomachs and feet-etc…..

From Dust to Dust

If there really was a worldwide flood, why don’t we find more fossils of human beings I’m sometimes asked? If you think about this present world covered by 70% water, you’d actually expect that marine creatures and seaweed would represent the largest biological mass that would be left as evidence from a worldwide flood. Then, from the land the second greatest mass you’d expect would be from the flora; the trees and plants that largely cover the earth. After that, the fauna, with the mass of all of God’s creatures including the insects dwarfing that of humans. Humans should represent a small percent of the total mass of biological remains.

Photo:Belle Toute Lighthouse on one of the Seven Sisters Chalk Cliffs near Sussex, England. Chalk is a sedimentary rock of organic origin.

Microbes and Man, 4th Edition, 2000, confirms that the mass of microscopic life has been calculated to be on the order of 5 to 25 times the mass of all other animal life.

The importance of all this is that much of the sedimentary rock on earth is bound together by the bodies of these creatures apparently borne across the planet by water and distributed in alluvial (water borne) deposits.

Now chalk is a soft, white, porous sedimentary rock, and a form of limestone. Science simply says that its primarily made up of calcite, without acknowledging that the source of the calcite is organic.

“Let us again return to the crust of the earth, and inquire in another direction what part minute organization of a different kind has performed in rearing up its massive substance. Let the reader mentally follow the track we shall point out to him, and endeavor, if he can, to estimate the cubic contents of such a mass of solid matter, if he would gain an idea of the importance of microscopic life in the work of creation.

Commencing at Dover, or Beachy Head, follow the course of the North or the South Downs up to their point of junction in the east of Hampshire, where they are joined by another branch of similar downs commencing near Weymouth.

These three chalk ranges enclose an area which includes all the north of Hampshire, and the larger portion of the south of Wiltshire. Yet this is not all. By the Marlborough Downs, by the Ilsey Downs and the Whitehorse Hills, the chalk runs into Oxfordshire, and continues, with some interruptions, through Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, and Cambridgeshire into Norfolk. Neither is this all.

The lofty cliffs between Cromer and Huntanton, the Wolds of Lincolnshire and those of Yorkshire, all are chalk. Southward, let the tourist say how much of the Isle of Wight is chalk. Chalk along the coast, chalk in hills, chalk in valleys—chalk forms the lnkpen Beacon, Wilts, a thousand feet above the sea, chalk forms the Needles crumbling into it; all is chalk, nothing but chalk—chalk and flints !

Yet stay—take up a pinch of the white mass, lay a particle of it no bigger than a pin’s head on the field of the microscope, and what a startling spectacle discloses itself! The dust is thick with organized forms. All is shells and corals! The Needles are shells and corals—the Downs are shells and corals! Underneath the thin green turf of the Wolds lie shells and corals. The great Humber rolls over shells and corals. The white walls of England are—shells and corals. Shakespeare’s cliff is shells and corals. The waters which sweep round Margate, Ramsgate, and Dover, white as milk, are full of the remains of shells and corals! A million of shells and corals lie in a cubic inch of chalk!

What inconceivable millions in a hill, and what in the whole range ! And these of the most beautiful forms, all once replete with life! How large a part of England’s southern and western coast is made up of individual beings more minute than a pin’s point! These minute beings—and the idea is still more strange—approach us in our homes. Do we whitewash our ceilings, it is with shells and corals! Shells and corals, it is said, come to us in our London milk ! Shells and corals form the beautiful glazing of a lady’s card, and oftentimes the ornamental covering of her work-boxes or show-books !

The doctor sends us shells and corals in his physic, and the confectioner, as we are told, in his comfits! The microscope, skillfully applied, makes all this plain, and reveals to us in a language appreciable to the eye, though barely capable of being fully comprehended by the mind, how vast a share in the operations of nature the Creator has assigned to beings so infinitely minute”….W. Buckland, The Living Age , Volume 28 The microscope and its Wonders.

Science tries to escape the implication of all this by teaching us that the earth is billions of years old and that these formations were built up minutely through the ages. But how does science explain cliffs thousands of feet high, extended areas of the earth and mountains 25,000 high cemented together and composed of marine shells and coral?

Fossil Graveyards and Caves Full of Bones

By and large, fossils are not something that are being formed today. Certainly not in the profusion in which they have been found in the strata of the earth. To make a fossil, an animal that dies needs not to be eaten by predators or subject to decaying effects of the sun or the wind. They needed to be buried very quickly.

In the Karoo Bone yards or Karoo Supergroup in South Africa, there are an estimated 800 billion mostly vertebrate fossils—largely swamp dwelling reptiles. Composed mainly of sandstones and shales deposited in shallow water, the Karoo can be 20,000 feet thick. The fossil-rich beds stretch out for hundreds of miles.

What kind of catastrophe could cause this kind of devastation and leave behind this many fossils in sandstone and shale, two types or sedimentary rock or organic origin?

Here’s what evolutionists say; “The high degree of articulation of the skeletal remains and the preservation of delicate bones in situ suggest that the animals were either rapidly buried or died in a place protected from weathering and agents of dispersal. Two hypotheses are possible to explain this multitaxon aggregation: trapping in a floodplain gully followed by immediate burial or shelter-sharing. The latter hypothesis is favored after the analysis of the fossil evidence recorded in the South African Karoo Basin…. Fernando Abdalajuan Carlos Cisneros And Roger M.H. Smith2

The authors here considered and discarded a local flood but how could this many fossils be left by a local flood? Some bird fossils have also been found there; why should birds be the victims of local flooding? Evolutionists look for alternative explanations because they have no choice. The global flood explanation is untenable.

Of course, no one in Noah’s time believed in a global flood either.

“….Massive fossil graveyards of dinosaurs still exist in other locations the world over. The Morrison beds in North America, the dinosaur beds in Montana, in the Rocky Mountains, in Alberta, the Dakotas, China, Colorado, Utah, Africa, etc., etc., contain literally millions of dinosaur fossils piled together in tremendous heaps.

Ten thousand Hadrosaurs were found on Egg Mountain, Montana alone, jumbled together in what appears to have been a mass death. The Flood produced the Sicilian hippopotamus beds, the fossils of which are so extensive that they are mined as a source of charcoal; the great mammal beds of the Rockies; the dinosaur beds of the Black Hills and the Rockies, as well as in the Gobi Desert; the fish beds of the Scottish Devonian stratum, the Baltic amber beds, Agate Spring Quarry in Nebraska, and hundreds more”….Evolution Cruncher

A bone bed has been discovered south of Tampa, Florida. Paleontologists say it is one of the richest fossil deposits ever found in the United States. It has yielded the bones of more than 70 species of animals, birds, and aquatic creatures.

About 80% of the bones belong to plains animals, such as camels, horses, mammoths, etc. Bears, wolves, large cats, and a bird with an estimated 30-foot wingspan are also represented. Mixed in with all the land animals are sharks’ teeth, turtle shells, and the bones of fresh and salt water fish. The bones are all smashed and jumbled together, as if by some catastrophe. The big question is how bones from such different ecological niches—plains, forests, and ocean—came together in the same place. … Armstrong, Carol; “Florida Fossils Puzzle the Experts,”

Many fossil graveyards are high up in mountainous areas. In Sicily, for example, four thousand feet above sea level on Mount Etna, there are two caves crammed with the bones of thousands of hippopotamus in each grave. On the island of Malta there are lions, tigers, mammoths, birds, beavers, hippopotamus and foxes all mixed together.

“Back in middle 1940s Dr. Frank C. Hibben, Prof. of Archeology at the University of New Mexico mounted an expedition to Alaska to look for human remains. The remains he found were not human, but what he found was anything but evidence of gradualism or uniformitarianism.

Instead he found miles of muck filled with the remains of mammoth, mastodon, several kinds of bison, horses, wolves, bears and lions. Just north of Fairbanks, Hibbens and his associates watched as bulldozers pushed the half-melted muck into sluice boxes for the extraction of gold.

Animal tusks and bones rolled up in front of the blades “like shavings before a giant plane”. The carcasses were found in all attitudes of death, most of them “pulled apart by some unexplainable prehistoric catastrophic disturbance” (Hibben, 1946).

The evidence of the violence of nature combined with the stench of rotting carcasses was staggering. The ice fields containing these remains stretched for hundred of miles in every direction (Hibben, 1946). Trees and animals, layers of peat and mosses, twisted and mangled together like some giant mixer had jumbled them some 10,000 years ago, and then froze them into a solid mass.”

“The picture in Siberia and northern Europe is no different. Just north of Siberia whole islands are formed of the bones of Pleistocene animals swept northward from the continent into the frigid waters of the Arctic Ocean.

It has been estimated that some ten million animals lay buried along the rivers of northern Siberia. Thousands of tusks formed a massive ivory trade for the master carvers of China, all from the remains of the frozen mammoths and mastodons of Siberia.

The famous Beresovka mammoth first drew attention to the preserving properties of being quick-frozen when buttercups were found in its mouth and undigested food in its stomach. This was no gradual event–it had to be sudden!”..

    Bones in Caves

A phenomenon that has been seen all over the world particularly in caves located at higher elevations is best explained only by a global flood. Profusions of plants, bones of land, sea and freshwater creatures, carnivores, and prey animals all mixed together violently. A local flood or calamity does not explain the violence evident by the broken bones. In life, that particular collection of creatures would never have shared a location together. The inclusion of bird fossils proves that the calamity was not simply a local one since birds would have been able to escape. Here is an article describing one of these mystery caves.

Heaps of Fossils in a Cave
Scientists Interested in Queer Find Near Philadelphia
Remains of Both Animal and Plant Life Mixed in Strange Confusion- Theories as to Their Origins
New York Times, November 25, 1895

Fossil Fuels and Facile Fools*

Here is the official, science approved explanation for fossil fuels like oil and gas. Note how much it seems like a creationist explanation; except for the time scale:

“Fossil fuels or gas fuels are fuels formed by natural resources such as anaerobic decomposition of buried dead organisms. The age of the organisms and their resulting fossil fuels is typically millions of years, and sometimes exceeds 650 million years. These fuels contain a high percentage of carbon and hydrocarbons.

Fossil fuels range from volatile materials with low carbon:hydrogen ratios like methane, to liquid petroleum to nonvolatile materials composed of almost pure carbon, like anthracite coal. Methane can be found in hydrocarbon fields, alone, associated with oil, or in the form of methane clathrates. It is generally accepted that they formed from the fossilized remains of dead plants and animals by exposure to heat and pressure in the Earth’s crust over hundreds of millions of years. …Fossil fuels are non-renewable resources because they take millions of years to form, and reserves are being depleted much faster than new ones are being formed. “ Wikipedia

Creationists know when the vast amount of animal and plant remains became available for this process-after the global flood. It was a catastrophic process that did not take hundreds of millions of years. Oil has been drilled for all over the world for hundreds of years. Can you imagine how many dead creatures and dead plant remains would be needed to make just one barrel of oil?

The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge by itself is estimated to contain up to 16 billion barrels of oil. There is just one time in the history of this planet when trillions of pounds of dead animals and plants were available to produce oil captured in sedimentary rock the world over.

“Most scientists agree that hydrocarbons (oil and natural gas) are of organic origin. A few, however, maintain that some natural gas could have formed deep within the earth, where heat melting the rocks may have generated it inorganically. Nevertheless, the weight of evidence favors an organic origin, most petroleum coming from plants and perhaps also animals, which were buried and fossilized in sedimentary source rocks. The petroleum was then chemically altered into crude oil and gas.

The chemistry of oil provides crucial clues as to its origin. Petroleum is a complex mixture of organic compounds. One such chemical in crude oils is called porphyrin: Petroleum porphyrins … have been identified in a sufficient number of sediments and crude oils to establish a wide distribution of the geochemical fossils.

They are also found in plants and animal blood.”… Answers in Genesis

The biological origin of oil and the proof that millions of years are unnecessary for its formation are made clear by the successful attempts to make fossil fuels from organic ingredients. For instance, It is in fact possible to make oil from algae, although the cost of production can sometimes be quite high, when compared with the cost of conventional oil production. The advantage of oil from algae, of course, is that algae is a renewable resource, making biofuels from algae very close to being carbon neutral, and as the algae grows, it actually contributes in a positive way to the environment, filtering out toxins and generating oxygen….Wisegeek


Photo: Ed Conrad’s find. A human (pre-flood?) skull encased in rock asociated with coal formation

(American Chemical Society) Coal formation associated with the mass extinction of over 70% of all Plants and Animals.

“The volcanic eruptions thought responsible for Earth’s largest mass extinction — which killed more than 70 percent of plants and animals 250 million years ago — is still taking lives today. That’s the conclusion of a new study showing, for the first time, that the high silica content of coal in one region of China may be interacting with volatile substances in the coal to cause unusually high rates of lung cancer. The study appears in ACS’ Environmental Science & Technology.

A seam of coal formed 250 million years ago during the worst extinction event on record appears to be responsible for the anomalously high lung cancer death rates among women in the rural Chinese county of Xuan Wei in Yunnan Province.

It’s long been known that the lung cancer mortality rates in the region were the worst in the world among female nonsmokers and some anomaly in the coal had been suspected. Lung cancer mortality in the region is up to 20 times the Chinese average. But it’s only in recent years that scientists have focused in on silica in the form of very fine quartz as the mineral that makes burning the stuff so deadly.”

Coal is itself a sedimentary rock. Coal is similar to oil in that it originally came from living organisms. In the case of coal, though, it is thought that those living organisms were plants. However, as Ed Conrad’s finds in Pennsylvanian coal (including a human skull) show that, humans and animals also played their parts in the formation of coal. It has been estimated that there are over 847 billion tons of proven coal reserves worldwide. This means that there is enough coal to last us over 130 years at current rates of production…World Coal Production

Science claims that the material for the formation of this fossil fuel came from swamps—that is the facile explanation that lets them sleep at night, but the amount and distribution of coal resources in the world testifies to the truth that the animal and plant matter which formed coal were widespread and massive all over the planet.

Humans and animals are carbon based and the fossil fuels have high percentages of carbon. Some speculate that diamonds, the hardest form of carbon, may have organic origins as well.

Phosphates and False Dates

Photo: Nauru is a phosphate rock island, with deposits close to the surface, which allow for simple strip mining operations. This island was a major exporter of phosphate starting in 1907 and it has been left decimated by mining operations. Phosphates source is organic; bones and teeth of dead creatures. Click to zoom

Next to calcium, phosphorus is the most abundant mineral in the body. These two important nutrients work closely together to build strong bones and teeth. About 85% of phosphorus in the body can be found in bones and teeth, but it is also present in cells and tissues throughout the body.

Phosphorus is an important agricultural fertilizer, an essential element in metabolism and the transfer of biological energy, a component of matches, an ingredient in pyrotechnic applications, and besides of considerable scientific interest.

The origin of phosphorus around the world is primarily organic. It comes primarily from the bones and teeth and cells of dead creatures. The carnage after the great flood would have provided the greatest source of phosphorus that could be imagined-but science dates their formation to hundreds of millions of years along with that of associated sedimentary rocks.

Phosphate rock is produced in some 40 countries, but 12 countries account for 92 percent of the world’s production Approximately 144 to 150 million tons of phosphate rock were produced annually between 1995 and 1997. Igneous deposits in Russia, Brazil, and the Republic of South Africa accounted for about 17 million tons of production in 1997. The remaining production (about 133 million tons or 89 percent) was from sedimentary deposits…Better Crops: World Production of Phosphates

    The Official Explanation for Florida Phosphates

“Florida’s phosphate deposits are made mostly of ocean animals. They began to form millions of years ago. At that time most of Florida was under water. About 5-10 million years ago, biological and chemical changes changed phosphate from the ocean to the phosphate like that we mine today. This phosphate deposit is huge. It stretches across the Florida. It also stretches up to the eastern Atlantic coast all the way to the Chesapeake Bay.

People don’t really know how all this phosphate formed, but they have a theory. Many scientists think that this is how it happened. During the geological time called Miocene, ocean water started getting into higher grounds. …There was a lot of life in the ocean, so the ocean was rich in nutrients and phosphate. This water was now at the seal level. Then water started precipitating, and the sediment full of phosphate was left. Florida’s limestone was now full of teeth, bones, and waste of ocean animals. In Miocene land started to come out.

..Many years passed. During the Pleistocene, the ocean levels dropped. Florida’s land was out of the ocean now. When Florida’s land was out of the water, millions of fossilized bones were found in the pits in which we mine phosphate today. The bones of the pre-historic animals from the Pleistocene can be found in the top phosphate layer. Below that we can find the fossils of ocean animals from the Miocene period. Some animal bones we can find are dugong, mastodons, saber tooth tiger, whales, camels, and three toed horses. No dinosaurs, though! Florida land got out of the ocean about 25 million years ago – dinosaurs were extinct 65 million years ago”. …ThinkQuest

Photo: Geologist’s F.S. Holmes book, right “The Phosphate Rock of South Carolina and the Great Carolina Marl Bed”, 1870″ was one of the sources for Watson’s book. Holmes said he found bones of dinosaurs as well as human implements and human bones-including a “giant” human thigh bone. Available Online Here

Man, dinosaurs and mammals together: Phophate rocks/bone phosphates of South Carolina : an analysis of their occurrence, origin, importance and instruction for the creation/evolution controversy by John Allen Watson 2001

Here is an early article describing the Florida phosphate beds and will serve to end this section ;

A Wilderness of Bones; Where Elephants, Tigers, and Mastodons Lie Buried; Their Bony Frames Are Now Called Florida Phosphates ..New York Times, March 26 1892

.”..Nearly half of Florida is marked out as a phosphate bed. The phosphate lands begin in the northern tier of counties. Tallahassee, the capital is in the center of a great deposit. In a general way the deposits begin at the mouth of the Apalachicola River and circle around northward and eastward, underlying Tallahassee, Monticello and Live Oak, then running southward, all on the west side of the State, through Ocaia and Barstow, all the way down to Punta Rassa.

… the bone phosphate of lime is nothing more nor less than the decomposed bones, or sometimes the guano of long dead animals and birds, solidified into soft rock…

..Where did so many bones come from? It looks as though at some prehistoric time all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air and all the leviathans of the deep had gathered for some unknown purpose in the state of Florida, and had been overtaken by some great calamity and left their bones there. Some of the bones are still in large pieces, others wholly intact and so well preserved that their species can be distinguished without difficulty. ..The bones and teeth of elephants…bones of mammoths which must have been carried to Florida in a glacier…the manatee, seacow…immense shark teeth some weighing more than a pound, ..the porpoise, the glyptodont, teeth of horses, tigers and crocodiles..

..Some of the deposits are 25, 30 feet thick and in some others, the bottom has not been found—not all pure bone, but bone and sand. There are similar deposits in many parts of the world.”….A Wilderness of Bones..

It Was People Like You Who Made the Ocean Salty, My Friend

The salts in sea and ocean water are simply dissolved solids and minerals of “everything” in weak solution. Ocean water is a complex combination of dissolved salts and dead biological matter. Science doesn’t completely understand the processes that led to salty oceans and seas but quite naturally believe that it took millions of years. If you are a Christian, you probably don’t believe that the earth has been around for millions of years but science needs numbers like that to try to give time for their theories to work.

Of course, if the world was really as old as science says, the oceans would now be thousands or millions of times saltier than it is today. Sea and ocean water is approximately 220 times saltier than fresh water. Scientists want to know; what is the origin of the sea and of its “salts”? And how does one explain ocean water’s remarkably uniform chemical composition?

“If all the salt in the sea could be extracted and spread evenly over the entire earth it is estimated that it would form a layer more than 500 feet thick-comparable in height to a 40 story office building.”… Why is the Ocean Salty?” By Herbert Swenson

I believe that the answer to the question that non-believers pose about salt water fish during the flood is—there were no salt-water fish before the flood—some fresh water species were able to adapt to salt water.

From whence did this incredible amount of material come? It probably comes from many sources, among them the detritus of people like you, of the dead animals and decaying plant and vegetation on the earth after the great flood.

The Coral Clock

Microscopic coral and shells provide the glue in the form of silicate that acts as the glue or bonding agent for sedimentary rocks the world over. Since coral are marine creatures there worldwide distribution over the entire planet is best explained by a global flood extending to high altitudes.

Dr. T. Wayland Vaughn of the U.S. Geological survey made some interesting discoveries about coral that live in vast colonies. He tested them using various experiments and determined that they were meat eaters exclusively. The living coral is a branched colony of individuals connected together with their soft bodies encased in shells. It’s the limey silicate shells that bond together when the animals die and build up together to create reefs.

At the rate of upward growth he observed in the reefs of the West Indies it would take from 6,531 to 7,620 years for the formation of a reef 160 feet thick in one of the species that he examined. Another he found could build that same reef in 1,800 years and still another in around 1,000 years. Coral supposedly evolved in the Ordovician, between 488 and 443 million years ago.

Taking Mr. Vaughn’s 1923 data and extrapolating it we find that the coral are young earth corals (YEC’s). If the slowest coral reef building species he studied would take 7, 620 years to build a 150 foot thick reef then it could build a reef approximately 20,000 feet high in 1 million years, 60,000 feet high in 3 million years or 200,000 feet high in only 10 million years. The coral say that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.


Photo: After the Deluge by Francis Danby 1837. Click to enlarge

The evidence of the death and destruction caused by the Global Flood is all around us. Some of those processes continue to this day allowing science to hypothesize that what may be going on a small scale accounts for the planet sized anomalies that we have here discussed.

There have been local floods in the world. Coral continues to grow to this day. Perhaps in certain places, dead vegetation and animal bodies are being transformed into coal or oil. In another rare occurrence somewhere on the globe, perhaps an animal dies and is rapidly buried and on its way to being fossilized. The point is, there is no other explantion other than a worldwide flood to satisfactorily explain the source of so many bones that entire islands can be made of phosphate of bone; entire coastlines of organic based chalk, sandstone or limestone; mountains made of microscopic marine creatures; the immense fossil graveyards throughout the world; the huge oil fields and coal deposits and even the saltiness of the ocean. Most of the dry land of the earth is sedimenatary rock which by definition is deposited by water.

Because every living thing with the breath of life in it persished except for Noah and those with him on the ark, this planet is a graveyard holding the bones of that pre-flood world. Their gravestones are of sandstone, quartz, limestone and chalk.


“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man”…Matt 24

*The fool has said in his heart there is no God. Psalm 14:1

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If There was a Global Flood, Where did All the Water Come From? Relax, You’re Soaking in it!

Church of Darwin,, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Oct 19 2009

Photo:Relax, you’re soaking in it!* (see footnote)

Not too long ago in one of those stump the Christian moments, someone asked me how Noah found penquins in Palestine. I pointed out that penquins aren’t strictly Arctic as you might suppose; for example, I told him, today there are penquins living on the beaches of South Africa.

Last month I had a similar discussion with Cliff Paiva, Frank Sherwin of ICR and Major Joseph F.R., currently in Iraq (stay safe!) concerning the possible water canopy above the earth pre-flood and possible sources for all that water re the Genesis flood (another stump the Christian favorite). The Major and I were kicking around some ideas related to a pre-flood canopy as a potential source of the quantity of water needed to cover the earth to a depth of more than 20 feet over the highest mountains.

Cliff Paiva as usual succinctly put the entire issue in perspective;

Since 330 million cubic miles of ocean covers nearly 75% of this planet…I often wonder why folks keep asking “…where has all the water gone…long time passing…where has all the water gone….a long, long time ago….?”.

Seriously, its time folks use common sense when talking about a planet which is today nearly 75% under water, and whose crust is completely fractured, with millions of hydrothermal vents pouring out yet even more water!

Photo:Right, Penquins on the beach at Capetown, South Africa

One of the reasons that this conversation came to mind is that last week NASA crashed a rocket into the moon in search of water. One of the reasons secular science is so desperate to find water on the moon, on mars or wherever it can in the universe is because as far as we know, liquid water does not exist anywhere else but here on earth.

The abundance of water here is neccessary for life and its presence is another brick in the Anthropic Priniciple wall–the scientific evidence that this planet, this solar system and this universe were specifically created for life. Secular, materialist science would like to prove that water here on this planet is not such a great anomaly.

Scientists readily admit that they don’t know where the water came from and there are several competing naturalistic explanations. (Christians know that the source of water on earth is God as explained beginning in the second verse of Genesis 1.) What is the number one accepted theory as to the origin of all the water here on earth?

Well, what is the dumbest idea that you can think of? Nope, its dumber than that!

The current leading theory is that the water on earth came primarily from the collision of “water rich” asteroids from the outer asteroid belt with the earth. Naturalistic explanations for the origin of water on this planet-are all wet.

“An evolutionist friend of mine once told me that the best evidence for the [creation model] he knew was that any land existed at all on the earth. If our planet had spun down from a gas cloud, he said, the outer layers would consist of basaltic ocean crust, covered by a concentric layer of granite, the whole thing covered by over two miles (3 km) of water! He said it looked as if “someone with big hands” (the closest he could come to saying “God”) took the granite and shoved it up into a pile to form the dry land. Then he added that the “guy with big hands” was also smart enough to thin the basalt under the granite piles to maintain the earth in gravitational balance (isostasy) so it wouldn’t fracture as it rotated.” Creation: Facts of Life (2006) Master Books, p. 224

Frank Sherwin of ICR Frank Sherwin is a staff scientist, speaker, and prolific author for the Institute for Creation Research in San Diego. He is also the author of The Ocean Book, for which he received the San Diego Christian Writers Guild Award for Excellence in Educational Writing. His youtube video Oceans, Creation and the Genesis Flood can be found here.

* This phrase was popularized by a television commercial campaign for Palmolive dish washing detergent. Madge, a manicurist, would comment on the dry, rough appearance of her client’s skin as she worked on one hand while the other soaked in a bowl of light green liquid. The client would ask her advice; Madge would recommend Palmolive; the client would act surprised (after all, how could a dish washing detergent affect one’s skin? Preposterous.). Then Madge would inform the client about the liquid in the bowl: “Relax, “you’re soaking in it,” she’d say, in a very matter-of-fact tone. The shocked client would immediately remove her hand from the bowl, and Madge would guide it back down, assuring her that everything was fine: “Palmolive softens hands as you do dishes.”

The ad campaign was created by the Ted Bates Ad Agency in 1966 and ran into the early ’90s.

Modern usage of the phrase occurs in situations similar to the well-intentioned ruse pulled off by Madge: someone is not aware of a situation or state, comments about it, and is told, “You’re soaking in it.” Example: a newbie might show up in the Chatterbox and ask, “hey, where’s this chatterbox thing I’ve heard about?” Answer: “you’re soaking in it.”…

“Prehistoric Man” Used Crude “Sat Nav”, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Sep 28 2009

Photo:Silbury Hill, Wiltshire which may have been part of an ancient navigational aid for prehistoric man Photo: SWNS

Prehistoric man navigated his way across England using a crude version of sat nav based on stone circle markers, historians have claimed.

They were able to travel between settlements with pinpoint accuracy thanks to a complex network of hilltop monuments.

These covered much of southern England and Wales and included now famous landmarks such as Stonehenge and The Mount.

New research suggests that they were built on a connecting grid of isosceles triangles that ‘point’ to the next site. Many are 100 miles or more away, but GPS co-ordinates show all are accurate to within 100 metres. This provided a simple way for ancient Britons to navigate successfully from A to B without the need for maps.

According to historian and writer Tom Brooks, the findings show that Britain’s Stone Age ancestors were ”sophisticated engineers” and far from a barbaric race.

Mr Brooks, from Honiton, Devon, studied all known prehistoric sites as part of his research.

He said: ”To create these triangles with such accuracy would have required a complex understanding of geometry.

”The sides of some of the triangles are over 100 miles across on each side and yet the distances are accurate to within 100 metres. You cannot do that by chance.

”So advanced, sophisticated and accurate is the geometrical surveying now discovered, that we must review fundamentally the perception of our Stone Age forebears as primitive, or conclude that they received some form of external guidance.

”Is sat-nav as recent as we believe; did they discover it first?”

Mr Brooks analysed 1,500 sites stretching from Norfolk to north Wales. These included standing stones, hilltop forts, stone circles and hill camps.

Each was built within eyeshot of the next.

Using GPS co-ordinates, he plotted a course between the monuments and noted their positions to each other.

He found that they all lie on a vast geometric grid made up of isosceles ‘triangles’. Each triangle has two sides of the same length and ‘point’ to the next settlement.

Thus, anyone standing on the site of Stonehenge in Wiltshire could have navigated their way to Lanyon Quoit in Cornwall without a map.

Mr Brooks believes many of the Stone Age sites were created 5,000 years ago by an expanding population recovering from the trauma of the Ice Age. (Or the flood?

Lower ground and valleys would have been reduced to bog and marshes, and people would have naturally sought higher ground to settle.

He said: ”After the Ice Age, the territory would have been pretty daunting for everyone. There was an expanding population and people were beginning to explore.

”They would have sought sanctuary on high ground and these positions would also have given clear vantage points across the land with clear visibility untarnished by pollution.

”The triangle navigation system may have been used for trading routes among the expanding population and also been used by workers to create social paths back to their families while they were working on these new sites.”

Mr Brooks now hopes his findings will inspire further research into the navigation methods of ancient Britons.

He said: ”Created more than 2,000 years before the Greeks were supposed to have discovered such geometry, it remains one of the world’s biggest civil engineering projects. ”It was a breathtaking and complex undertaking by a people of profound industry and vision. We must revise our thinking of what’s gone before.”

‘Prehistoric Geometry in Britain: the Discoveries of Tom Brooks’ is now on sale priced £13.90.