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Giant Men? Evidence; Amen! Giant Tracks? Science Attacks! 12 Feet Tall? Darwinists; Not at All! Historical Evidence That There Were Giants in Those Days-As Alleged by Scientists of the Recent Past

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, The Flood of Noah, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 10 2010


By Chris Parker Copyright 2010

Photo:Drawing of a well authenticated mummy found near San Diego in 1895. In life he was estimated by anthropologist to have exceeded nine feet in height. Story covered later in this article.

Without a doubt the consistently most popular articles on s8int.com are the articles featuring human giants as the subject matter. Why is that? On the surface, whether or not human giants existed is not central to the creation evolution debate. The Bible does tell us that “there were giants in the earth in those days, and afterwards” but why the keen interest in the topic? On the whole human giants are barely mentioned in scripture.

Evolutionists as a rule are very insistent that human giants were only mythological. One might wonder why they bother to heap so much scorn on the notion of giant humans. I believe that there are several reasons why they insist that most if not all of the hundreds of historical reports concerning human giants and giant skeletons were the result of the ignorance of our forebears who couldn’t distinguish between human and mastodon bones and who were given to all kinds of myths and superstitions.

The major reason in my opinion is that evolution does not account for 12 foot human giants especially in strata where according to the evolutionary timeline, “modern” men of even average height should not have been found—much less men of extraordinary height. Dinosaurs and other mega fauna existed in periods that evolutionists claim were well before “modern” man evolved. Another reason is that the Bible claims that there were giants in those days and they would simply delight in proving the Bible wrong.

Ancient human bones in millions of years old strata (according to geological theory) present a problem for evolutionists to solve or explain but “giant” human remains in “millions of years old” strata present an unsolvable dilemma and an untenable situation. Such artifacts are never considered by science and are disposed of as quietly as possible; either by tacitly agreeing never to discuss it or by labeling the item a fake.


Photo:The giant femur on the left of the photo is a model created by Joe Taylor of the Mount Bianco Museum based on a description of a find in Turkey during construction in the 1950′s. The photo on the right is a mystery.

No one seems to know exactly who is pictured or when the photo was taken though it is speculated that this is one of the 1950 giant femurs. The scourge of hoaxed giant skeleton photographs currently on the internet has the effect of making a serious review of the historical data on giants much more difficult.

Skeptics of ancient human giants have used the Cardiff giant, an apparent hoaxed, petrified giant discovered in the late 1800’s, as well as the fact that a number of alleged giant bones turned out to be the bones of the elephant, the mastodon or some other ancient animal to discredit all historical accounts of giant human skeletons, tracks or bones.

They would have you believe that even medical professionals of those times were similarly deceived. As to giant apparently human footprints and tracks found in sandstone and granite around the world, science insists that many if not most of them were hand carved individually by the ancients for some mysterious religious or cultural reasons.

It’s a wonder that the Piltdown Man Hoax, and mistakes like “Nebraska Man”, a proposed human ancestor who turned out to be an extinct pig, or in fact all those putative human ancestors down through the years which are now known to be apes would have made evolutionists reconsider the notion of human ancestors.

Were even those men of scientific learning too ignorant to distinquish between the bones of a mastodon and those of a human being, giant or otherwise? As far as I know scientists up to today say that the human body does not petrify. On the other hand, many men of science in bygone days have claimed to have found petrified human remains (not giant) in strata that Darwinists in the future would claim was impossible. Here is a description of petrified human remains as thoroughly described in Gentleman’s Magazine, Volume 62, 1787. Note the sophistication…..

“See also Scheuzer’s account of part of a human skeleton petrified, Phil. Trans. XXXIV. 38. Saddam’s Abridgement, VIII. 98. Scheuzer had only two petrified vertebrae of the back, of a shining black colour; but afterwards received, enclosed in an Oeningen flaky stone, many parts of a human head, as the circumference of the skull, the os frontis, ossa sincipitis el occipilis, orbit of the eye, pieces of the basis of the medulla oblongata, the interior prominence of the os occipitis that divides the lobes of the cerebellum, the 7 vertabra of the neck, partly bare and partly covered with a petrified crust; and this is the orthographical section, as it were, of the hinder part of the head.

He afterwards procured, from the same stone quarry, a larger and more curious piece, including the skeleton of an adult, supposed 58 1/2 Paris inches high, the periphery of the os frontis, the os jugale, the orbits of the eyes, the tables of the skull, together with the diploe, the vestiges of the infraorbital foramen for the passage of the nerves of the 5th pair, part* of the brain itself, or the dura mater, the ossa cribrosa and spongiosa, the os vomeris. that divides the nose, a portion of the fourth maxillary bone commuting the cheeks, part of the nose, a portion of the masseter, an orthographical section passing through the apophyses condyloides of the lower jaw as far as the angle of the said jaw, 16 continued vertebra, most of them having the transverse processes, the extremity of the right clavicle joined to the scapula, the middle of the left covered with a stony crust.”

Photo:Giant human footprints (or alleged human prints) have been found in Carson Nevada, near Lovelock, in New Mexico, in the Grand Canyon and many other locations around the world. These sandals were found in Lovelock cave, in Nevada, whee 8 foot red haired mummies were also found. Note that these sandals are nearly two feet in length while a man’s shoewear today on average would be around 12 inches….

It would seem to me that even in the late 1700’s if not even earlier, based on the caliber of scientific articles of that time concerning the human body, many scientists could have been able to tell the difference between the femur of a giant human and the femur of a mastodon. No doubt some faith can be had in their testimony even though all the historical accounts of giant human bones did not come from scientifically trained men.

Men of science have wondered if since there were countless examples in the fossil record of mega sized versions of much smaller creatures living today whether man himself may have existed in the past in mega form as well; and if not, why not?

Creation scientists believe that the earth was quite different in the pre-flood period than it is today. Evolutionists tend to believe in uniformism; that the present is the key to the past.

A 1987 article in Time Magazine entitled ”Putting On Ancient Airs”, informed that “two scientists stunned colleagues by reporting that 80 million years ago, the earth’s atmosphere contained about 50% more oxygen than it does now.”

Geochemists Gary Landis of the U.S. Geological Survey and Robert Berner of Yale were able to measure ancient air trapped in amber. Naturally we don’t subscribe to the age given as 80,000,000 years ago, but it does raise the possibility that at one time on this planet there was much more oxygen to breathe in the atmosphere than there is now. The comparison is 21% oxygen today vs. up to 35% oxygen in the past.
Perhaps older molecules of trapped air in amber might give an even higher figure.

Could a higher oxygen content along with other conditions help explain why giant humans and other giant creatures lived in the past? Time Magazine Source

Not only that; evolutionists insist that giant humans would have been too heavy to stand. They then have to account for ancient pictures of galloping elephants, (which can not gallop today) ancient birds of prey that couldn’t even get off the ground today, how sauropods were able to raise their necks high enough to eat tree leaves etc.

If we have proof that there was a great deal more oxygen in the air in the past, what else could have been different? Could gravity have been weaker in times past as well? Whatever the answer is, it was the same answer for the viability of giant humans as it was for giant reptiles.

Here we rediscover some historical articles concerning human giants in which we seek to overcome the common objections about the truth or accuracy of the accounts. Most were either discovered or championed by men of science or they were found buried wearing clothing or bearing other artifacts of man. Mastodons and their fellow travelers were seldom buried in coffins or in armor or with gold or copper jewelry etc..

GIANTS INHABITED FLORIDA IN THE YEAR 123,084 B. C.
State Geologist Sellards and Prof. Hay Concur in Opinion After Study of Fossil Found at Vero-
Say Men Grew 12 Feet Tall.
New Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917

Background

“Elias Howard Sellards, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in 1899 and 1900, respectively, at the University of Kansas at Lawrence. He was awarded both a scholarship and a fellowship at Yale University, where he completed his doctorate in paleontology in 1903.

After graduating from Yale, Sellards taught geology and mineralogy for a year at Rutgers College, before becoming a professor of geology and zoology at the University of Florida in 1904. In 1907 he was named the first state geologist of Florida and held that position until 1918.

He was serving in that position when he found giant human bones near Vero Beach, Florida. He was later to serve as director of the Texas Memorial Museum from 1938 to 1957. In 1932 he became the director of the Bureau of Economic Geology, the source of this information. His discoveries were very controversial both because of the strata where the bones were discovered and because of their size.” University of Texas Source

Dr. OP Hay, co-discoverer was from the Carnegie Institution.

Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917–“That human beings inhabited the North American continent more than 125,000 years ago has been conclusively proven through a recent discovery in this state by E. H. Sellards, state geologist, and Prof. Oliver P. Hay who have made a study of the fossil. Though their opinions are not fully concurred in by other scientists, they are positive that their researches have been thorough and there is no room for a mistake.

The discovery was made several months ago, and though nothing of a definite nature had been given out until recently, it is now officially stated that human bones intermingled with those of the mastodon, saber tooth tiger, and many other extinct animals that formerly ranged this hemisphere have been found. The deposit was found near Vero.

That the human beings were of enormous size is evidenced by the bones. It is thought that some were ten or twelve feet in height. Some excellent specimens of the skeleton of these gigantic men have been found, some of them locked in the deadly embrace of great animals, with strange weapons of bone clutched in skeleton hands a foot long.”

Sellards and Hay must have known that their professional reputations would be at stake after such an announcement. Sellards did leave for Texas the following year. But to claim that human remains had been found in North America in the Pleistocene period and of a size that science claims never existed was unprecedented and incredible-twice over. No wonder they waited several months prior to the announcement.

They supposed that so many ancient animals had been found in association with the human bones because they had died together “locked in deadly combat”

A group of six; including anthropologists and geologists quickly arrived on site and eventually wrote a report which was published in Jan-Feb issue of the Journal of Geology. In that report, Sellards is quoted as saying that this was the oldest deposit from which human remains had ever been taken. Note that what Mr. Sellards meant is that these were not the bones of some ape being passed off as a pre-human.

The article continues on: If this research proves to be all that the scientists think it is, the world at large will be astounded to know that many things which had long been suspected are true. (There were giants in those days?)

There are many who believe Bering straight was crossed ages ago by inhabitants of European countries who probably had to flee across the Stnnovoi Mountains of Siberia.

The claims that Sellards and O.P. Hay were making did not sit well with many scientists and the debate raged for many years with the paradigm working to show that the bones really came from a much higher and thus geologically younger strata (intrusion). (Of course, I do not personally agree with the geological timescale the current scientific paradigm advances, either.)

One can find many articles about these discoveries by searching Google for Vero Beach and the Antiquity of man. Rarely if ever do we see Sellards’ claims about the stature of the ancient men addressed. He did not leave himself without testimony however, as photographs of some of the bones, human and animal can be found online at the State of Florida Library website.

Left:Ulna of man, #5895, anterior view]
Publication info: 1916.
Physical descrip:
1 photoprint : b&w ; 5 x 7 in.
Series Title:
(Florida Geological Survey Collection.)
General Note: Used in 8th Annual report, pl.18, fig.2. Found in stratum 3 at Vero.
Date/place captured:
Photographed in February of 1916.

Tibia (right) of man, #5196, and right ulna (left) Canis dirus, #5451] [picture]
Greene, E. Peck.

This source: Lists many news articles and provides other research material descriptions and locations

Sellards defended his findings in among other reports; FLORIDA STATE GEOLOGICAL SURVEY.
E. H. SELLARDS, PH. D., STATE GEOLOGIST. NINTH ANNUAL REPORT.

His Report Conclusion: “The human remains and artifacts are contemporaneous with extinct species of mammals, birds, reptiles, and at least one extinct species of plants, as well as with other animal and plant species that do not at the present time extend their range into Florida. The age of the deposits containing these fossils according to the accepted interpretation of faunas and floras is Pleistocene.”


Epilogue: University of Florida: Epic carving on fossil bone found in Vero Beach

In what a top Florida anthropologist is calling “the oldest, most spectacular and rare work of art in the Americas,” an amateur Vero Beach fossil hunter has found an ancient bone etched with a clear image of a walking mammoth or mastodon.

According to leading experts from the University of Florida, the remarkable find demonstrates with new and startling certainty that humans coexisted with prehistoric animals more than 12,000 years ago in this fossil- rich region of the state.

Source

Time Magazine
Science: The Diggers
Monday, Nov. 16, 1925

In Nevada, Governor James Graves Scrugham reported having enlisted capital for continued excavations in “Pueblo Grande de Nevada,” the pueblo cliff city eight miles long which he discovered personally last year and intends making into a state park. Some 50 of the 10,000 or more graves have been opened, containing corn, weapons, decorations and dice, dating (by estimate) to 5,000 B. C. Hard by the city is a turquoise mine. Some of the skeletons are gigantic.

In New Mexico and Arizona, tremendous prehistoric stone “apartment houses” were found, three-to five-story communal dwellings, some housing 600 to 1,200 Indians, whose hieroglyphics are not unlike those of the Chinese. The age of these cities was put between 2,000 and 5,000 years. In Roosevelt Lake (Arizona), a city emerged from the water during a drought. Like the Nevada aborigines, these Arizona men were big. Their culture was much higher, from Mexico probably, even, considering their great numbers, the possible original of Mexican culture.

Farther north in this state, an expedition financed by .Edward L. (oil) Doheny, found dinosaur tracks and animal pictures in the Grand Canyon.

Near Bend, Ore., a University of Oregon geologist found fossils of huge camels in Pleistocene strata. Monroe, N. Y., contributed to the nation’s store of mastodon bones, skulls, teeth.

In Mexico, miners prospecting the Chihuahua Mountains found, intact in a hidden cave, a group of skeletons in sitting postures, arms crossed over knees. Measured from crown to heel they sat five to six feet high; erect they would have stood ten to twelve feet. Anthropologists set off to examine these giants, hoping to clear the doubtful origin of the Chihuahua Indians, a rangy race. Time Source

Beach Giant’s Skull Unearthed
By WPA Workers Near Victoria
Believed to Be Largest Ever Found in World; Normal Head Also Found
San Antonio Express – January 7, 1940, San Antonio, Texas

“That Texas “had a giant on the beach” in the long ago appears probable from the large skull recently unearthed in a mound in Victoria County, believed to be the largest human skull ever found in the United States and possibly in the world.


Twice the size of the skull of normal man, the fragments were dug up by W. Duffen, archaeologist, who is excavating the mound in Victoria County under a WPA project sponsored by the University of Texas. In the same mound and at the same level, a normal sized skull was found.

The pieces taken from the mound were reconstructed in the WPA laboratory under supervision of physical anthropologists. A study is being made to determine whether the huge skull was that of a man belonging to a tribe of extraordinary large men or whether the skull was that of an abnormal member of a tribe, a case of “giantism”.

No claim is made in the short article re the estimated size of this individual. This is rather a late find, taking place in 1940 and rare in that there is a photo accompanying the article. If the skull is indeed twice normal size (by volume) then we are talking about a rather large man.

Normal sized skulls were also found at the site.

The Cardiff Giant Outdone
18 Foot Human Giant and Enormous Helmet of Iron Found
The Oil City Times, Pennsylvania, December 31, 1869.

A Mr. Robert Smith and a Mr. William Thompson were in the process of digging around the property of one of the men ½ mile from the town of West Hickory.

“In an excavation, made by William Thompson and Robert Smith, half a mile north of West Hickory, they exhumed an enormous helmet of iron which was corroded with rust. Further digging brought to light a sword which measured nine feet in length, and after some little time they discovered the bones of two very large feet.

Following up the lead, in a few hours time they unearthed a well-preserved skeleton of an enormous giant, belonging to a species of the human family which probably inhabited this part of the world at the time of which the Bible speaks, when it says, ‘ and there were giants in those days.’

The helmet is said to be of the shape of those found among the ruins of Nineveh. The bones are remarkably white, the teeth are all in their places, and all of them are double, and of extraordinary size. These relics have been taken to Tionesta, where they are visited by large numbers of persons daily. The giant must have stood eighteen feet in his stockings.”

The remains had been found twelve feet below the surface of a mound which the discoverers believed had been constructed centuries before.

Biggest Giant Ever Known
Nine Feet High and Probably A California Indian
Measurement Well Authenticated
The World: October 6, 1895

The corpse of the biggest man who ever lived has been dug up near San Diego. There is no satisfactory record in ancient or modern history to account for any human being nearly this tall. The mummy which is the condition in which the body was found must have been more than nine feet in height in life.

The article goes on to state that there was no question as to its size as the cadaver was carefully measured by Professor Thomas Wilson, Curator of the Department of Prehistoric Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institute and by other experts. According to the article, the man in mummified state still measured eight feet four inches in height.

The man was believed to have been a prehistoric “Indian” whose giant body has been preserved by the arid weather of the region. The body had been found in a cave near San Diego by a group of miners. The remnants of a leather band had been found over his head and he appeared to be well advanced in years.

The writer went on to speculate that this was the tallest man ever found or described outside of the Bible

A Giant Exhumed.
Niles’ National Register, Volume 69
October 4, 1846

We are informed on the most reliable authority, that a person in Franklin County, Tenn.) while digging a well, a few weeks since, found a human skeleton, at the depth of fifty feet, which measures eighteen feet in length.

The immense frame was entire with an unimportant exception in one of the extremities. It has been visited by several of the principal members of the medical faculty in Nashville, and pronounced unequivocally, by all, the skeleton of a huge man.

The bone of the thigh, measured five feet; and it was computed that the height of the living man, making the proper allowance for muscles, must have been at least twenty feet. The finder had been offered eight thousand dollars for it, but had determined not to sell it at any price, until first exhibiting it for twelve months.—

He is now having the different parts wired together for this purpose. These unwritten records of the men and animals of other ages that are from time to time dug out of the bowels of the earth, put conjecture into confusion, and almost surpass imagination itself. JlMison Banner.

The Sauk Rapids Sentinel (Minn.)
Dec. 18, 1869 gives the following:—

” Day before yesterday, while the quarrymen, employed by the Sauk Rapids Water Power Company, were engaged in quarrying rock for the dam which is being erected across the Mississippi at this place, they found embedded in the solid granite rock the remains of a human being of gigantic stature.


About seven feet below the surface of the ground, and about three and a half beneath the upper stratum of rock, the remains were found imbedded in the sand, which had evidently been placed in the quadrangular grave which had been dug out of the solid rock to receive the last remains of this antediluvian giant. The grave was twelve feet in length, four feet wide, and about three feet in depth, and is to-day at least two feet below the present level of the river. The remains are completely petrified, and are of gigantic dimensions.

The head is massive, measures thirty one and one half inches in circumference, but low in the os frontis, and very flat on the top. The femur measures twenty-six and a quarter inches, and the fibula twenty-five and a half, while the body is equally long in proportion.

From the crown of the head to the sole of the foot, the length is ten feet nine and a half inches. The measure around the chest is fifty-nine and a half inches. This giant must have weighed at least nine hundred pounds, when covered with a reasonable amount of flesh.”

The remains were to be sent on to Boston for study by the “learned”.

Curiously enough, the Cardiff Giant, now either revealed or claimed to be a hoax was discovered almost two months to the day prior, in October 1869—and was also claimed to be petrified and to have been somewhat north of 10 feet tall.

Giant Human Tracks In Association with Dinosaur Tracks at Paluxy-1930

In 1930 Roland T. Bird, field explorer for the American Museum, reported 15-20 inch long “clearly defined” human footprints with dinosaur tracks.


Some skeptics believed that these human footprints were fake. They lifted up more rock ledges along the ride of the river, only to find more prints. One footprint was even cut in half and sawed across the toes. The lamination line was distorted by the mud squeezing up between the toes.

In 1970, James Ryals, who had been cutting out tracks and selling them since the 1930s, was interviewed. He reported the human tracks as mostly barefooted, but sometimes encased in some form of wrapping. The stride varied from two to seven feet. There are human tracks crossing dinosaur tracks, and dinosaur tracks which have blotted out human tracks in sequence.
Cole, John R., Ed.; Godfrey, Laurie R., Ed. The Paluxy River Footprint Mystery–Solved. Creation/Evolution; v5 n1 Win 1985

A PRE-HISTORIC GIANT.
Boston Journal of Chemistry and Pharmacy, Volumes 24-26 Page 113 1890

THE legends of all races tell of a time when mankind were of giant stature, doubtless arising, in many cases, from the discovery of the fossil bones of ancient animals of large size, such as the elephant, mammoth, etc. But, as far as we know, there is no proof whatever that the human race was ever possessed of a greater average stature than at present.

In fact, the tendency seems to be in the opposite direction, the men of the present time slightly exceeding their ancestors in size—a result doubtless due to the improved conditions of existence in these latter days.

Occasional instances of unusual stature are, however, not uncommon, and can be seen in almost any dime museum; and that there were giants even in the Stone Age seems to be proved by a discovery made near Montpellier, in France, by M. LAPOUGE, and communicated by him to La Nature.

At Castelnau, near the above town, is a prehistoric cemetery, dating from the ages of polished stone and bronze. A large number of human bones were found, including about forty skulls, one of which formerly belonged to an individual about eighteen years old, who, judging from the size of his skull must have been over six feet in height. Hut the most remarkable “finds” of M. Lapouge were three pieces of bone, illustrated in the engraving, which must formerly have belonged to some pre-historic giant of extraordinary size.

The first piece, shown on the left of the engraving, is a part of a femur, or thigh-bone, and the one on the right a part of a tibia, or shin-bone. In the middle is represented a humerus, or bone of the upper arm, from the same ancient cemetery, but of normal size. At the bottom is represented a small fragment, which may be either a piece of a femur or a humerus; if the latter, then it must also have formerly made up part of the skeleton of the giant, as can be seen by comparison with the normal humerus above it.

If we judge of the height of this neolithic giant by the usual proportion of the parts of the skeleton to each other, he must have been between ten and eleven feet high. The question remains whether this excessive growth was a normal one, or due to a diseased condition resulting in a general hypertrophy of the osseous system.

On this point the authorities differ, one professor of the University of Montpellier holding that the bones are normal in every respect, while another finds evidence of a diseased condition. In either case the giant of Castelnau must have been a source of wonder, if not of terror, to the savage men of those times, and was doubtless treated with all the honor which in these modern days is bestowed upon a successful prize-fighter.

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