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The Real Story of Vero Beach Wasn’t Ancient Mammoth Art but Rather; Ancient Mammoth Humans and Mammoth Archaeological Misdirection

Church of Darwin, Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 24 2011


There could be no better metaphor for modern science, particularly archaeology than Dr. Zaius from the movie “Planet of the Apes”.

When that Minister of Science found the talking human doll in a cave which would have overturned his scientific paradigm he had the cave sealed and the eyewitnesses arrested.

This week, the Huffington Post published a story about ancient mammoth art discovered at Vero Beach Florida which managed to both bury the lead and to seal the real archeological experience of North America in a cave, metaphorically speaking.

The original article announcing this discovery was published in 2009 so it’s a bit of a mystery why this article is being published now. (We had our own article last year). However, here is an offensive quote from the article:

“While prehistoric art depicting animals with trunks has been found in Europe, this may be the first in the Western Hemisphere, researchers report Wednesday in the Journal of Archaeological Science”

Seriously? Are you kidding? There have been literally hundreds of prior discoveries of “prehistoric” art in the Americas depicting animals with trunks. The problem was, mainstream archeology had decided and pronounced that elephants or “animals with trunks” had not lived in North America and so discounted all evidence to the contrary.

A few examples of art depicting animals with trunks are shown at the top of the page. Another famous example is a pictograph discovered in the Grand Canyon in 1924 by Samuel Hubbard Jr. along with dinosaur and human footprints, petrified giant human bodies and pictographs showing dinosaurs. This was the Doheny Expedition and Hubbard had brought along Charles Gilmore, Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology of the Museum of Natural History to certify his discoveries.

In the Vero Beach find we had the same pedantic initial skepticism but this time the paradigm was unable to relegate the piece to the cave and it has been grudgingly accepted. Now the field is trying to feign excitement about it. And what of all those other pieces of trunked art that have been discovered over the past three hundred years? Can you imagine that now that science has to admit that the mammoth was here in ancient times after all that nevertheless this is the first and only representation of the huge creature ever found?

As to burying the lead, Vero Beach, Florida first became famous and controversial back in 1917 when then State Geologist and later Director of the Bureau of Economic Geology, Elias Sellards and colleague reported that they had found numerous bones, fossils, weapons etc. of “modern” men from 10 to 12 feet tall, along with the bones of extinct creatures and giant reptiles in Pleistocene strata. Given that scientific report and the controversy it engendered, why in the world is anyone talking about an etching of a mammoth on bone?

When it comes to the science known as Archaeology, or at least to its practioners, one can learn more from the mammoth paradigm supporting misdirections than one can learn from an incised bone portraying a mammoth…..s8int.com

GIANTS INHABITED FLORIDA IN THE YEAR 123,084 B. C.
State Geologist Sellards and Prof. Hay Concur in Opinion After Study of Fossil Found at Vero-
Say Men Grew 12 Feet Tall.
New Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917

Background

“Elias Howard Sellards, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in 1899 and 1900, respectively, at the University of Kansas at Lawrence. He was awarded both a scholarship and a fellowship at Yale University, where he completed his doctorate in paleontology in 1903.

After graduating from Yale, Sellards taught geology and mineralogy for a year at Rutgers College, before becoming a professor of geology and zoology at the University of Florida in 1904. In 1907 he was named the first state geologist of Florida and held that position until 1918.” University of Texas Source

He was serving in that position when he found giant human bones near Vero Beach, Florida. He was later to serve as director of the Texas Memorial Museum from 1938 to 1957. In 1932 he became the director of the Bureau of Economic Geology, the source of this information. His discoveries were very controversial both because of the strata where the bones were discovered and because of their size.

Dr. OP Hay, co-discoverer was from the Carnegie Institution.

Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917–“That human beings inhabited the North American continent more than 125,000 years ago has been conclusively proven through a recent discovery in this state by E. H. Sellards, state geologist, and Prof. Oliver P. Hay who have made a study of the fossil. Though their opinions are not fully concurred in by other scientists, they are positive that their researches have been thorough and there is no room for a mistake.

The discovery was made several months ago, and though nothing of a definite nature had been given out until recently, it is now officially stated that human bones intermingled with those of the mastodon, saber tooth tiger, and many other extinct animals that formerly ranged this hemisphere have been found. The deposit was found near Vero.

That the human beings were of enormous size is evidenced by the bones. It is thought that some were ten or twelve feet in height. Some excellent specimens of the skeleton of these gigantic men have been found, some of them locked in the deadly embrace of great animals, with strange weapons of bone clutched in skeleton hands a foot long.”

Sellards and Hay must have known that their professional reputations would be at stake after such an announcement. Sellards did leave for Texas the following year. But to claim that human remains had been found in North America in the Pleistocene period and of a size that science claims never existed was unprecedented and incredible-twice over. No wonder they waited several months prior to the announcement.

They supposed that so many ancient animals had been found in association with the human bones because they had died together “locked in deadly combat”

A group of six; including anthropologists and geologists quickly arrived on site and eventually wrote a report which was published in Jan-Feb issue of the Journal of Geology. In that report, Sellards is quoted as saying that this was the oldest deposit from which human remains had ever been taken. Note that what Mr. Sellards meant is that these were not the bones of some ape being passed off as a pre-human.

The article continues on: If this research proves to be all that the scientists think it is, the world at large will be astounded to know that many things which had long been suspected are true. (There were giants in those days?)

There are many who believe Bering straight was crossed ages ago by inhabitants of European countries who probably had to flee across the Stnnovoi Mountains of Siberia.

The claims that Sellards and O.P. Hay were making did not sit well with many scientists and the debate raged for many years with the paradigm working to show that the bones really came from a much higher and thus geologically younger strata (intrusion). (Of course, I do not personally agree with the geological timescale the current scientific paradigm advances, either.)

One can find many articles about these discoveries by searching Google for Vero Beach and the Antiquity of man. Rarely if ever do we see Sellards’ claims about the stature of the ancient men addressed. He did not leave himself without testimony however, as photographs of some of the bones, human and animal can be found online at the State of Florida Library website.

Left:Ulna of man, #5895, anterior view]
Publication info: 1916.
Physical descrip:
1 photoprint : b&w ; 5 x 7 in.
Series Title:
(Florida Geological Survey Collection.)
General Note: Used in 8th Annual report, pl.18, fig.2. Found in stratum 3 at Vero.
Date/place captured:
Photographed in February of 1916.

Tibia (right) of man, #5196, and right ulna (left) Canis dirus, #5451] [picture]
Greene, E. Peck.

This source: Lists many news articles and provides other research material descriptions and locations

Sellards defended his findings in among other reports; FLORIDA STATE GEOLOGICAL SURVEY.
E. H. SELLARDS, PH. D., STATE GEOLOGIST. NINTH ANNUAL REPORT.

His Report Conclusion: “The human remains and artifacts are contemporaneous with extinct species of mammals, birds, reptiles, and at least one extinct species of plants, as well as with other animal and plant species that do not at the present time extend their range into Florida. The age of the deposits containing these fossils according to the accepted interpretation of faunas and floras is Pleistocene.”


Epilogue: University of Florida: Epic carving on fossil bone found in Vero Beach

In what a top Florida anthropologist is calling “the oldest, most spectacular and rare work of art in the Americas,” an amateur Vero Beach fossil hunter has found an ancient bone etched with a clear image of a walking mammoth or mastodon.

According to leading experts from the University of Florida, the remarkable find demonstrates with new and startling certainty that humans coexisted with prehistoric animals more than 12,000 years ago in this fossil- rich region of the state.

Source

Bonus Material: Quote from 1884 Re: The Elephant in North America

MAN A CONTEMPORARY WITH THE AMERICAN ELEPHANT.


Perhaps those who are of the opinion that man dwelt here in ancient times contemporaneously with some species of the extinct American elephant, may see in the close proximity and association of the remains of these huge mammalians with the pottery of the ancient Americans, some evidence favoring their theory.

In fact, the huge elephant mound in Grant County, Wisconsin, which must have been made by a people familiar with elephants; and the engravings of elephants on tablets found in mounds; and the recent discovery in the quarry at Carson. Nevada, of human and elephant foot-marks, one human foot- mark being obliterated by the, subsequent passage of an elephant, the foot mark of the latter showing up beautifully, would seem to be evidence sufficient to establish the fact beyond a doubt, that man and some species of American elephant dwelt in ancient America together.

Prof. G-. Frederick Wright conjectures that the so-called human footprints at Carson, Nevada, were those of a bear, made long by lapping of the tracks of the hind feet into those of the fore feet. He thinks some such supposition necessary to account for the large size of the tracks—nineteen inches in length, six inches across the broadest part of the heel, and seven inches at the base of the toes.

He forgets that there were giants in those days, as is proven by the giant skeletons exhumed from mounds in various parts of America. And then, Mr. Wright’s conclusions do not at all tally with the description of these tracks, by those who carefully examined them, which description shows that; these impressions clearly indicate rights and lefts, and deviate to either side from a straight line about as much as the ordinary step of a man. * *

The hollow under the instep is remarkably prominent, and characteristic of the human foot, as is also the curvature around the toes. The impression is exactly like that of an Indian moccasin pressed into shallow mud. No separate impressions of toes are visible, from the fact that the whole interior of the impression clearly appears as if a sandal had been worn. The sharp line corresponding to the cut edge of a piece of hide is visible everywhere.”

Perhaps instead of a mere sandal, a rawhide shoe, with a sole on it, was worn. This would account for other things noticed. The reporter to the New York Weekly Herald of Nov. 18, 1882, further says:

“I was shown by Prof. Harkness, of San Francisco, the tracing of the sole of a shoe, worn by a Sonoran, which measures exactly eighteen and a half inches, just half an inch less than the fossil footprints.”

He further says of the fossil footprints:
“The straddle or distance between rights and lefts varies from almost nothing to sixteen inches. Neither of the above measurements is remarkable when we consider the proportions of the individual, as indicated bv the size of the feet.”

Besides all this evidence that they are human footmarks, is it not more than probable that, if they were those of an animal, the lap of the hind upon the fore-feet tracks would show somewhere, in so many tracks—over one hundred?

Wilford’s Microcosm: Volume 4 – Page 269 1884

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In Search of the Death Valley Cave System: Giants in Those Days? On The Ground in Death Valley- An Expedition to the Panamint Scorpions

Church of Darwin, Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Feb 17 2011

Photo:Jef and team on the ground in Death Valley in search of the ancient cave system.

Several years ago, we reprinted an article originally printed in the San Diego Union on August 4, 1947 entitled;” Ancient Civilization Beneath Death Valley? EXPEDITION REPORTS NINE-FOOT SKELETONS.

This was a rather prominent article of the time concerning the alleged discovery of an ancient cave complex located in Death Valley which contained remnants of an ancient civilization and nine foot giants. The story eventually disappeared from the papers but we were able to find some possible collaborative evidence in the form of a mention of the discovery in a government archeologist’s papers.

In recounting the discovery, one of the principals; Hill claimed: “These giants,” said Hill, “are clothed in garments consisting of a medium length jacket and trouser extending slightly below the knees. The texture of the material is said to resemble gray dyed sheepskin, but obviously it was taken from an animal unknown today.”

S8int.com also included a number of other articles concerning the same cave system including descriptions of the area. With the advent of Google Maps and satellite photos of the area, those interested in the story have tried to find the location of the cave system. We’ve since had a number of updates about these aerial, virtual searches. Since our original article s8int.com has added nothing to the story but has only served to print comments and additional stories by others interested in the Death Valley Caves, if they exist.


The “Scorpions”: January 14, 2009 at 18:11 Google Earth:
36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W

The search has recently focused on an area known as the scorpions, near Panamint Springs in Death Valley. There is a belief by some that the aerial maps of the area have been “airbrushed”. Scott S. who has supplied some updated material is a guy who has spent some of his vacations searching for the caves for up to a week at a time. He says he only lives 1,000 miles away. Disneyland is closer, I’m sure.

Recently, Jef Anderson, another adventurer and some of his compatriots took the possible coordinates of the cave system and set out for Death Valley. Here is an account of their journey.

Panamint Mountain Scorpions
Who says there’s no Intelligent Design?

Dateline: 2/14/11 – by Jef Anderson
All Photos and Text Copyright Jef Anderson, 2011

Right:Yahoo maps
36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W

Below, Left: Bing Maps
36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W
As near as I can tell… these images started appearing on all three major satellite mapping websites at approximately the same time – On January 14, 2009 Wouter W. of The Hague, Netherlands found this Google Earth image (the first image), which has since been removed from the Google sites, but can still be found by inputting the Long/Lat coordinates into the other map services.

It’s an extremely curious image, seemingly a massive geoglyph of a pair of Scorpions (or maybe Lobsters) positioned in the heart of the Panamint Mountains, in Death Valley California, and only visible from satellites or high flying aircraft, which would make the size on par with the Nazca geoglyphs.

On February 12, 2011 a group of 7 men set out to reach those GPS coordinates. The demographics of our group was comprised mainly of Educators, a few of them being former History teachers, all with Master’s degrees. Most of the members are experienced High Sierra outdoorsmen, having conquered several 14k peaks, with years of experience heading into extreme conditions.

This experience led us to choose February as the time to attempt this trek. We had great weather, temperatures ranging from 32º to 78º. Sudden thunder storms are really the only danger at this time of year, but we had blue skies and little to no wind. This window of temperate weather only occurs a few weeks every year before the legendary heat returns.

We decided to seize the opportunity.

Armed only with satellite maps and handheld GPS units, we set out from Salt Creek. There are no trails or paths heading toward the Scorpions, so we struck out across the one of the most inhospitable deserts in the America’s. The trackless journey took us across many types of terrain, rolling sand dunes, suddenly deep ravines, rocks ranging from gravel to boulders, and the ground covers with all manner of small cactus and nettled brush. The trek toward the coordinates was a steady climb of about 15º beginning under 200 feet below sea level.

Our base camp was Furnace Creek campground and we tented it, finding the National Parks service campground a nice one (although dealing with the Rangers is always a pain, and 12 Sax was not exception).

At about 6:45am and just before the sun shone down into the Panamint Valley we drove north up Hwy 190 toward the Salt Creek Trail parking lot, arriving around 7:10am. After quickly donning our daypacks, we set the compass and struck out at a heading of 220º. Our first waypoint was Trellis Canyon, though the way was obscured by a sharp, rising ridgeline bordering the salt creek.

The map below shows our starting point at Salt Creek, Trellis Canyon, and finally the Scorpions.

What follows is the log of the expedition.

07:15: Salt Creek Interpretive Trail Parking lot: 36 º 35’ 26.8N, 116 º 59’ 24.3W
- Sunrise, approx. 50º temp
- We climbed a small, steep ridgeline due West, then followed rolling desert
- Heading: 220 º
- Elevation: -200 ft.

07:45: 36 º 34’ 45.7N, 116 º 59 49.3W
- approx 55 º temp
- Now we encountered steep broken ravines cut into the rising desert floor, we were forced to pick our way down into the ravines, often traveling along them for a time before climbing out again, trying to maintain our bearing. Will’s foot issues force him to turn back – very bummed.

- Heading 200 º
- Elevation: – 200 ft.

08:15: 36 º 34’ 22.9N, 117 00’ 6.9W
- Approx 60 º temp

- We are now through the ravines and face a slope rising North by Northwest. It consists of softball to bowling ball size rocks, making the footing difficult. They’re too big to get flat footing and too small to “boulder” across, very annoying. In the distance we see two possible canyons that may be Trellis, so we split the difference between the two, heading toward the center.

- Heading: 200 º
- Elevation: -150 ft.

08:45: 36 º 33’ 43.9N, 117 00’ 46.8W
- Approx 60 º
- Still on the long climbing slope of rocks, we pass power lines and talk about what a miserable job installing those must have been
- Heading 220 º
- Elevation: -50 ft.

09:15: 36 º 33’ 17.3N, 117 01’ 33.4W
- Approx 60 º
- The angle of the slope has significantly increased, though the rocks become smaller, with many places very gravelly. We begin to think that the Northern canyon is indeed Trellis, so adjust out bearing and head that way.
- Heading: 240 º
- Elevation: +283

09:45: 36 º 33’ 7.7N, 117 02’ 34.0W
- Approx 65 º

- The bugs appear. These are little gnats, virtually invisible and SUPER annoying. What could they possible live on when they can’t get humans? We’ve seen no wildlife or water. We take a break in the shade of first set of uprising rocks that will eventually form the canyons, but the gnats are everywhere and we don’t stay long.

- Heading 310 º
- Elevation: +938

10:15: 36 º 32’ 53.8N, 117 03’ 20.0W
- Approx 65 º

- We enter Trellis Canyon. We’ve been shooting for 36 32 55.1N, 117 03 19.11W coordinates and pretty much navigated to the spot, once we decided the Northern canyon was our mark. The bugs are still present but as long as we keep moving they don’t bother too badly. The mouth of the canyon is about 200 yards across with several large rock formations that are evident in the satellite maps.
- Heading: 190 º
- Elevation: +1212 ft.

10:45: 36 º 32’ 13.2N, 117 03’ 35.2W
- Approx 65 º
- We kept working our way back into the ever narrowing canyon. The walls squeeze in, emphasizing the height of the canyon. The outer canyon walls much reach 3000 to 4000 feet up, with the ones we can touch easily over a 1000 feet. At one place in the “Narrows” I can touch both sides of the walls at the same time and yet the canyon towers about 2000 feet straight up – It’s an awesome place, and by the gps coordinates we know we’re getting close to the Scorpions.

All along this part of the canyon, we can see “hanging valleys” open up above us in the rocks. All of them are at least 50 to 100 feet up from the riverbed that we’re walking on. The evidence of water erosion is significant, and it’s easy to see how this canyon was formed, being cut so sharply by the flash floods that race down the narrow canyon. One of these hanging valleys is easy to spot when we climbed a rock wall across from it.

There is now a shear rock wall that must be climbed in order to really see into the valley, but from our view it’s clearly evident that it has a lot of square acreage. It’s now absolutely inaccessible without a 3 or 4 rated climb of over 100 feet. And it’s not alone, we see several places were areas open up, but they’re all very high up in the canyon walls, some 1000 to 3000 feet up. We didn’t plan on climbing, knowing that we wouldn’t have the time. But climbing there is the only way to really explore the mysteries of the place. We believe the coolest stuff is now high up in the canyon walls, and can only be reached by climbing.

- Heading: 190 º
- Elevation: +1524 ft.

11:36: 36 º 31’ 23.67N, 117 03’ 54.90W
- Approx 65 º
- THE SCORPIONS, we reach the coordinates a little after 11:30am.

The narrow sliver of sky we see is still bright blue, with golden sunlight reflecting hard off the towering canyon walls. We however are covered in dark shadow. It’s evident that some places within the canyon never get sunlight because the extremely high walls. I’m not just spouting poetic imagery… this is the point –
The Scorpions are created by shadow. There are so many twisting, turning corners to the canyon that it’s easy to see how the Scorpions are formed.

I’ve been so mystified by the darkness of the Scorpions, when every other shadow on the satellite images are a lot softer. But now, standing in these impressively high and narrow canyons, the darkness of the images is obvious. The contrast of the light and darkness is extreme and the blackness of the shadow in such close proximity to that of the brightly lit rocks, no doubt creates the deep blackness of the satellite photo images.


We’ve found no caves or caverns at ground level, but as I’ve stated, we’ve seen the potential for both high up in many places along the canyon. We also haven’t seen any geoglyphs or any evidence that humans have ever been in this place. BUT, it’s also very obvious that the canyon get scoured by flood waters and has (relatively) quickly sunk down many dozens if not hundreds of feet since the time people may have lived here.

If people did once inhabit this place, the evidence for them wouldn’t be down at the current ground level, but up much higher in the canyon walls and in the suspended/hanging valleys that would have been much closer to ground level long ago.
- Elevation: +2169 ft.

This picture (top article photo) was taken at precisely 36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W – the coordinates given by all three satellite map services, showing the Scorpions


The fact that the Scorpions exist in the satellite images is, in my mind, evidence of the awesome creativity that God shows in his creation. No one can deny there are images on the satellite photos, images that are created by shadow and light, yet clearly form recognizable, symmetrical shapes; shapes that don’t happen randomly in nature. It seems this place is marked specially for some reason and though evidence wasn’t observable at ground level, who can guess what kinds of things may be found higher up in the canyon walls.

We’ll be going back, with climbing gear ;)

Prior Articles on this Topic

Ancient Civilizations, Giants, Tunnels Beneath Southern California?
Update on:Ancient Civilizations, Giants, Tunnels Beneath Southern California? Tuesday, December 23rd, 2008

More on Death Valley Cave Complex–Giants Etc. Thursday, January 1st, 2009

Updating the Update of the Death Valley Giants Cave Complex-with Coordinates Monday, January 12th, 2009

Death Valley Giants Cave Complex Satellite Photo Blurred Out? Wednesday, April 28th, 2010

New Update on the Death Valley Cave Complex-Quest for Death Valley Giants and the Cover Up? Scott S. June 16 2010

New Update on the Death Valley Cave Complex Scott S. June 17 2010

Giant Men? Evidence; Amen! Giant Tracks? Science Attacks! 12 Feet Tall? Darwinists; Not at All! Historical Evidence That There Were Giants in Those Days-As Alleged by Scientists of the Recent Past

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, The Flood of Noah, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 10 2010


By Chris Parker Copyright 2010

Photo:Drawing of a well authenticated mummy found near San Diego in 1895. In life he was estimated by anthropologist to have exceeded nine feet in height. Story covered later in this article.

Without a doubt the consistently most popular articles on s8int.com are the articles featuring human giants as the subject matter. Why is that? On the surface, whether or not human giants existed is not central to the creation evolution debate. The Bible does tell us that “there were giants in the earth in those days, and afterwards” but why the keen interest in the topic? On the whole human giants are barely mentioned in scripture.

Evolutionists as a rule are very insistent that human giants were only mythological. One might wonder why they bother to heap so much scorn on the notion of giant humans. I believe that there are several reasons why they insist that most if not all of the hundreds of historical reports concerning human giants and giant skeletons were the result of the ignorance of our forebears who couldn’t distinguish between human and mastodon bones and who were given to all kinds of myths and superstitions.

The major reason in my opinion is that evolution does not account for 12 foot human giants especially in strata where according to the evolutionary timeline, “modern” men of even average height should not have been found—much less men of extraordinary height. Dinosaurs and other mega fauna existed in periods that evolutionists claim were well before “modern” man evolved. Another reason is that the Bible claims that there were giants in those days and they would simply delight in proving the Bible wrong.

Ancient human bones in millions of years old strata (according to geological theory) present a problem for evolutionists to solve or explain but “giant” human remains in “millions of years old” strata present an unsolvable dilemma and an untenable situation. Such artifacts are never considered by science and are disposed of as quietly as possible; either by tacitly agreeing never to discuss it or by labeling the item a fake.


Photo:The giant femur on the left of the photo is a model created by Joe Taylor of the Mount Bianco Museum based on a description of a find in Turkey during construction in the 1950′s. The photo on the right is a mystery.

No one seems to know exactly who is pictured or when the photo was taken though it is speculated that this is one of the 1950 giant femurs. The scourge of hoaxed giant skeleton photographs currently on the internet has the effect of making a serious review of the historical data on giants much more difficult.

Skeptics of ancient human giants have used the Cardiff giant, an apparent hoaxed, petrified giant discovered in the late 1800’s, as well as the fact that a number of alleged giant bones turned out to be the bones of the elephant, the mastodon or some other ancient animal to discredit all historical accounts of giant human skeletons, tracks or bones.

They would have you believe that even medical professionals of those times were similarly deceived. As to giant apparently human footprints and tracks found in sandstone and granite around the world, science insists that many if not most of them were hand carved individually by the ancients for some mysterious religious or cultural reasons.

It’s a wonder that the Piltdown Man Hoax, and mistakes like “Nebraska Man”, a proposed human ancestor who turned out to be an extinct pig, or in fact all those putative human ancestors down through the years which are now known to be apes would have made evolutionists reconsider the notion of human ancestors.

Were even those men of scientific learning too ignorant to distinquish between the bones of a mastodon and those of a human being, giant or otherwise? As far as I know scientists up to today say that the human body does not petrify. On the other hand, many men of science in bygone days have claimed to have found petrified human remains (not giant) in strata that Darwinists in the future would claim was impossible. Here is a description of petrified human remains as thoroughly described in Gentleman’s Magazine, Volume 62, 1787. Note the sophistication…..

“See also Scheuzer’s account of part of a human skeleton petrified, Phil. Trans. XXXIV. 38. Saddam’s Abridgement, VIII. 98. Scheuzer had only two petrified vertebrae of the back, of a shining black colour; but afterwards received, enclosed in an Oeningen flaky stone, many parts of a human head, as the circumference of the skull, the os frontis, ossa sincipitis el occipilis, orbit of the eye, pieces of the basis of the medulla oblongata, the interior prominence of the os occipitis that divides the lobes of the cerebellum, the 7 vertabra of the neck, partly bare and partly covered with a petrified crust; and this is the orthographical section, as it were, of the hinder part of the head.

He afterwards procured, from the same stone quarry, a larger and more curious piece, including the skeleton of an adult, supposed 58 1/2 Paris inches high, the periphery of the os frontis, the os jugale, the orbits of the eyes, the tables of the skull, together with the diploe, the vestiges of the infraorbital foramen for the passage of the nerves of the 5th pair, part* of the brain itself, or the dura mater, the ossa cribrosa and spongiosa, the os vomeris. that divides the nose, a portion of the fourth maxillary bone commuting the cheeks, part of the nose, a portion of the masseter, an orthographical section passing through the apophyses condyloides of the lower jaw as far as the angle of the said jaw, 16 continued vertebra, most of them having the transverse processes, the extremity of the right clavicle joined to the scapula, the middle of the left covered with a stony crust.”

Photo:Giant human footprints (or alleged human prints) have been found in Carson Nevada, near Lovelock, in New Mexico, in the Grand Canyon and many other locations around the world. These sandals were found in Lovelock cave, in Nevada, whee 8 foot red haired mummies were also found. Note that these sandals are nearly two feet in length while a man’s shoewear today on average would be around 12 inches….

It would seem to me that even in the late 1700’s if not even earlier, based on the caliber of scientific articles of that time concerning the human body, many scientists could have been able to tell the difference between the femur of a giant human and the femur of a mastodon. No doubt some faith can be had in their testimony even though all the historical accounts of giant human bones did not come from scientifically trained men.

Men of science have wondered if since there were countless examples in the fossil record of mega sized versions of much smaller creatures living today whether man himself may have existed in the past in mega form as well; and if not, why not?

Creation scientists believe that the earth was quite different in the pre-flood period than it is today. Evolutionists tend to believe in uniformism; that the present is the key to the past.

A 1987 article in Time Magazine entitled ”Putting On Ancient Airs”, informed that “two scientists stunned colleagues by reporting that 80 million years ago, the earth’s atmosphere contained about 50% more oxygen than it does now.”

Geochemists Gary Landis of the U.S. Geological Survey and Robert Berner of Yale were able to measure ancient air trapped in amber. Naturally we don’t subscribe to the age given as 80,000,000 years ago, but it does raise the possibility that at one time on this planet there was much more oxygen to breathe in the atmosphere than there is now. The comparison is 21% oxygen today vs. up to 35% oxygen in the past.
Perhaps older molecules of trapped air in amber might give an even higher figure.

Could a higher oxygen content along with other conditions help explain why giant humans and other giant creatures lived in the past? Time Magazine Source

Not only that; evolutionists insist that giant humans would have been too heavy to stand. They then have to account for ancient pictures of galloping elephants, (which can not gallop today) ancient birds of prey that couldn’t even get off the ground today, how sauropods were able to raise their necks high enough to eat tree leaves etc.

If we have proof that there was a great deal more oxygen in the air in the past, what else could have been different? Could gravity have been weaker in times past as well? Whatever the answer is, it was the same answer for the viability of giant humans as it was for giant reptiles.

Here we rediscover some historical articles concerning human giants in which we seek to overcome the common objections about the truth or accuracy of the accounts. Most were either discovered or championed by men of science or they were found buried wearing clothing or bearing other artifacts of man. Mastodons and their fellow travelers were seldom buried in coffins or in armor or with gold or copper jewelry etc..

GIANTS INHABITED FLORIDA IN THE YEAR 123,084 B. C.
State Geologist Sellards and Prof. Hay Concur in Opinion After Study of Fossil Found at Vero-
Say Men Grew 12 Feet Tall.
New Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917

Background

“Elias Howard Sellards, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in 1899 and 1900, respectively, at the University of Kansas at Lawrence. He was awarded both a scholarship and a fellowship at Yale University, where he completed his doctorate in paleontology in 1903.

After graduating from Yale, Sellards taught geology and mineralogy for a year at Rutgers College, before becoming a professor of geology and zoology at the University of Florida in 1904. In 1907 he was named the first state geologist of Florida and held that position until 1918.

He was serving in that position when he found giant human bones near Vero Beach, Florida. He was later to serve as director of the Texas Memorial Museum from 1938 to 1957. In 1932 he became the director of the Bureau of Economic Geology, the source of this information. His discoveries were very controversial both because of the strata where the bones were discovered and because of their size.” University of Texas Source

Dr. OP Hay, co-discoverer was from the Carnegie Institution.

Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917–“That human beings inhabited the North American continent more than 125,000 years ago has been conclusively proven through a recent discovery in this state by E. H. Sellards, state geologist, and Prof. Oliver P. Hay who have made a study of the fossil. Though their opinions are not fully concurred in by other scientists, they are positive that their researches have been thorough and there is no room for a mistake.

The discovery was made several months ago, and though nothing of a definite nature had been given out until recently, it is now officially stated that human bones intermingled with those of the mastodon, saber tooth tiger, and many other extinct animals that formerly ranged this hemisphere have been found. The deposit was found near Vero.

That the human beings were of enormous size is evidenced by the bones. It is thought that some were ten or twelve feet in height. Some excellent specimens of the skeleton of these gigantic men have been found, some of them locked in the deadly embrace of great animals, with strange weapons of bone clutched in skeleton hands a foot long.”

Sellards and Hay must have known that their professional reputations would be at stake after such an announcement. Sellards did leave for Texas the following year. But to claim that human remains had been found in North America in the Pleistocene period and of a size that science claims never existed was unprecedented and incredible-twice over. No wonder they waited several months prior to the announcement.

They supposed that so many ancient animals had been found in association with the human bones because they had died together “locked in deadly combat”

A group of six; including anthropologists and geologists quickly arrived on site and eventually wrote a report which was published in Jan-Feb issue of the Journal of Geology. In that report, Sellards is quoted as saying that this was the oldest deposit from which human remains had ever been taken. Note that what Mr. Sellards meant is that these were not the bones of some ape being passed off as a pre-human.

The article continues on: If this research proves to be all that the scientists think it is, the world at large will be astounded to know that many things which had long been suspected are true. (There were giants in those days?)

There are many who believe Bering straight was crossed ages ago by inhabitants of European countries who probably had to flee across the Stnnovoi Mountains of Siberia.

The claims that Sellards and O.P. Hay were making did not sit well with many scientists and the debate raged for many years with the paradigm working to show that the bones really came from a much higher and thus geologically younger strata (intrusion). (Of course, I do not personally agree with the geological timescale the current scientific paradigm advances, either.)

One can find many articles about these discoveries by searching Google for Vero Beach and the Antiquity of man. Rarely if ever do we see Sellards’ claims about the stature of the ancient men addressed. He did not leave himself without testimony however, as photographs of some of the bones, human and animal can be found online at the State of Florida Library website.

Left:Ulna of man, #5895, anterior view]
Publication info: 1916.
Physical descrip:
1 photoprint : b&w ; 5 x 7 in.
Series Title:
(Florida Geological Survey Collection.)
General Note: Used in 8th Annual report, pl.18, fig.2. Found in stratum 3 at Vero.
Date/place captured:
Photographed in February of 1916.

Tibia (right) of man, #5196, and right ulna (left) Canis dirus, #5451] [picture]
Greene, E. Peck.

This source: Lists many news articles and provides other research material descriptions and locations

Sellards defended his findings in among other reports; FLORIDA STATE GEOLOGICAL SURVEY.
E. H. SELLARDS, PH. D., STATE GEOLOGIST. NINTH ANNUAL REPORT.

His Report Conclusion: “The human remains and artifacts are contemporaneous with extinct species of mammals, birds, reptiles, and at least one extinct species of plants, as well as with other animal and plant species that do not at the present time extend their range into Florida. The age of the deposits containing these fossils according to the accepted interpretation of faunas and floras is Pleistocene.”


Epilogue: University of Florida: Epic carving on fossil bone found in Vero Beach

In what a top Florida anthropologist is calling “the oldest, most spectacular and rare work of art in the Americas,” an amateur Vero Beach fossil hunter has found an ancient bone etched with a clear image of a walking mammoth or mastodon.

According to leading experts from the University of Florida, the remarkable find demonstrates with new and startling certainty that humans coexisted with prehistoric animals more than 12,000 years ago in this fossil- rich region of the state.

Source

Time Magazine
Science: The Diggers
Monday, Nov. 16, 1925

In Nevada, Governor James Graves Scrugham reported having enlisted capital for continued excavations in “Pueblo Grande de Nevada,” the pueblo cliff city eight miles long which he discovered personally last year and intends making into a state park. Some 50 of the 10,000 or more graves have been opened, containing corn, weapons, decorations and dice, dating (by estimate) to 5,000 B. C. Hard by the city is a turquoise mine. Some of the skeletons are gigantic.

In New Mexico and Arizona, tremendous prehistoric stone “apartment houses” were found, three-to five-story communal dwellings, some housing 600 to 1,200 Indians, whose hieroglyphics are not unlike those of the Chinese. The age of these cities was put between 2,000 and 5,000 years. In Roosevelt Lake (Arizona), a city emerged from the water during a drought. Like the Nevada aborigines, these Arizona men were big. Their culture was much higher, from Mexico probably, even, considering their great numbers, the possible original of Mexican culture.

Farther north in this state, an expedition financed by .Edward L. (oil) Doheny, found dinosaur tracks and animal pictures in the Grand Canyon.

Near Bend, Ore., a University of Oregon geologist found fossils of huge camels in Pleistocene strata. Monroe, N. Y., contributed to the nation’s store of mastodon bones, skulls, teeth.

In Mexico, miners prospecting the Chihuahua Mountains found, intact in a hidden cave, a group of skeletons in sitting postures, arms crossed over knees. Measured from crown to heel they sat five to six feet high; erect they would have stood ten to twelve feet. Anthropologists set off to examine these giants, hoping to clear the doubtful origin of the Chihuahua Indians, a rangy race. Time Source

Beach Giant’s Skull Unearthed
By WPA Workers Near Victoria
Believed to Be Largest Ever Found in World; Normal Head Also Found
San Antonio Express – January 7, 1940, San Antonio, Texas

“That Texas “had a giant on the beach” in the long ago appears probable from the large skull recently unearthed in a mound in Victoria County, believed to be the largest human skull ever found in the United States and possibly in the world.


Twice the size of the skull of normal man, the fragments were dug up by W. Duffen, archaeologist, who is excavating the mound in Victoria County under a WPA project sponsored by the University of Texas. In the same mound and at the same level, a normal sized skull was found.

The pieces taken from the mound were reconstructed in the WPA laboratory under supervision of physical anthropologists. A study is being made to determine whether the huge skull was that of a man belonging to a tribe of extraordinary large men or whether the skull was that of an abnormal member of a tribe, a case of “giantism”.

No claim is made in the short article re the estimated size of this individual. This is rather a late find, taking place in 1940 and rare in that there is a photo accompanying the article. If the skull is indeed twice normal size (by volume) then we are talking about a rather large man.

Normal sized skulls were also found at the site.

The Cardiff Giant Outdone
18 Foot Human Giant and Enormous Helmet of Iron Found
The Oil City Times, Pennsylvania, December 31, 1869.

A Mr. Robert Smith and a Mr. William Thompson were in the process of digging around the property of one of the men ½ mile from the town of West Hickory.

“In an excavation, made by William Thompson and Robert Smith, half a mile north of West Hickory, they exhumed an enormous helmet of iron which was corroded with rust. Further digging brought to light a sword which measured nine feet in length, and after some little time they discovered the bones of two very large feet.

Following up the lead, in a few hours time they unearthed a well-preserved skeleton of an enormous giant, belonging to a species of the human family which probably inhabited this part of the world at the time of which the Bible speaks, when it says, ‘ and there were giants in those days.’

The helmet is said to be of the shape of those found among the ruins of Nineveh. The bones are remarkably white, the teeth are all in their places, and all of them are double, and of extraordinary size. These relics have been taken to Tionesta, where they are visited by large numbers of persons daily. The giant must have stood eighteen feet in his stockings.”

The remains had been found twelve feet below the surface of a mound which the discoverers believed had been constructed centuries before.

Biggest Giant Ever Known
Nine Feet High and Probably A California Indian
Measurement Well Authenticated
The World: October 6, 1895

The corpse of the biggest man who ever lived has been dug up near San Diego. There is no satisfactory record in ancient or modern history to account for any human being nearly this tall. The mummy which is the condition in which the body was found must have been more than nine feet in height in life.

The article goes on to state that there was no question as to its size as the cadaver was carefully measured by Professor Thomas Wilson, Curator of the Department of Prehistoric Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institute and by other experts. According to the article, the man in mummified state still measured eight feet four inches in height.

The man was believed to have been a prehistoric “Indian” whose giant body has been preserved by the arid weather of the region. The body had been found in a cave near San Diego by a group of miners. The remnants of a leather band had been found over his head and he appeared to be well advanced in years.

The writer went on to speculate that this was the tallest man ever found or described outside of the Bible

A Giant Exhumed.
Niles’ National Register, Volume 69
October 4, 1846

We are informed on the most reliable authority, that a person in Franklin County, Tenn.) while digging a well, a few weeks since, found a human skeleton, at the depth of fifty feet, which measures eighteen feet in length.

The immense frame was entire with an unimportant exception in one of the extremities. It has been visited by several of the principal members of the medical faculty in Nashville, and pronounced unequivocally, by all, the skeleton of a huge man.

The bone of the thigh, measured five feet; and it was computed that the height of the living man, making the proper allowance for muscles, must have been at least twenty feet. The finder had been offered eight thousand dollars for it, but had determined not to sell it at any price, until first exhibiting it for twelve months.—

He is now having the different parts wired together for this purpose. These unwritten records of the men and animals of other ages that are from time to time dug out of the bowels of the earth, put conjecture into confusion, and almost surpass imagination itself. JlMison Banner.

The Sauk Rapids Sentinel (Minn.)
Dec. 18, 1869 gives the following:—

” Day before yesterday, while the quarrymen, employed by the Sauk Rapids Water Power Company, were engaged in quarrying rock for the dam which is being erected across the Mississippi at this place, they found embedded in the solid granite rock the remains of a human being of gigantic stature.


About seven feet below the surface of the ground, and about three and a half beneath the upper stratum of rock, the remains were found imbedded in the sand, which had evidently been placed in the quadrangular grave which had been dug out of the solid rock to receive the last remains of this antediluvian giant. The grave was twelve feet in length, four feet wide, and about three feet in depth, and is to-day at least two feet below the present level of the river. The remains are completely petrified, and are of gigantic dimensions.

The head is massive, measures thirty one and one half inches in circumference, but low in the os frontis, and very flat on the top. The femur measures twenty-six and a quarter inches, and the fibula twenty-five and a half, while the body is equally long in proportion.

From the crown of the head to the sole of the foot, the length is ten feet nine and a half inches. The measure around the chest is fifty-nine and a half inches. This giant must have weighed at least nine hundred pounds, when covered with a reasonable amount of flesh.”

The remains were to be sent on to Boston for study by the “learned”.

Curiously enough, the Cardiff Giant, now either revealed or claimed to be a hoax was discovered almost two months to the day prior, in October 1869—and was also claimed to be petrified and to have been somewhat north of 10 feet tall.

Giant Human Tracks In Association with Dinosaur Tracks at Paluxy-1930

In 1930 Roland T. Bird, field explorer for the American Museum, reported 15-20 inch long “clearly defined” human footprints with dinosaur tracks.


Some skeptics believed that these human footprints were fake. They lifted up more rock ledges along the ride of the river, only to find more prints. One footprint was even cut in half and sawed across the toes. The lamination line was distorted by the mud squeezing up between the toes.

In 1970, James Ryals, who had been cutting out tracks and selling them since the 1930s, was interviewed. He reported the human tracks as mostly barefooted, but sometimes encased in some form of wrapping. The stride varied from two to seven feet. There are human tracks crossing dinosaur tracks, and dinosaur tracks which have blotted out human tracks in sequence.
Cole, John R., Ed.; Godfrey, Laurie R., Ed. The Paluxy River Footprint Mystery–Solved. Creation/Evolution; v5 n1 Win 1985

A PRE-HISTORIC GIANT.
Boston Journal of Chemistry and Pharmacy, Volumes 24-26 Page 113 1890

THE legends of all races tell of a time when mankind were of giant stature, doubtless arising, in many cases, from the discovery of the fossil bones of ancient animals of large size, such as the elephant, mammoth, etc. But, as far as we know, there is no proof whatever that the human race was ever possessed of a greater average stature than at present.

In fact, the tendency seems to be in the opposite direction, the men of the present time slightly exceeding their ancestors in size—a result doubtless due to the improved conditions of existence in these latter days.

Occasional instances of unusual stature are, however, not uncommon, and can be seen in almost any dime museum; and that there were giants even in the Stone Age seems to be proved by a discovery made near Montpellier, in France, by M. LAPOUGE, and communicated by him to La Nature.

At Castelnau, near the above town, is a prehistoric cemetery, dating from the ages of polished stone and bronze. A large number of human bones were found, including about forty skulls, one of which formerly belonged to an individual about eighteen years old, who, judging from the size of his skull must have been over six feet in height. Hut the most remarkable “finds” of M. Lapouge were three pieces of bone, illustrated in the engraving, which must formerly have belonged to some pre-historic giant of extraordinary size.

The first piece, shown on the left of the engraving, is a part of a femur, or thigh-bone, and the one on the right a part of a tibia, or shin-bone. In the middle is represented a humerus, or bone of the upper arm, from the same ancient cemetery, but of normal size. At the bottom is represented a small fragment, which may be either a piece of a femur or a humerus; if the latter, then it must also have formerly made up part of the skeleton of the giant, as can be seen by comparison with the normal humerus above it.

If we judge of the height of this neolithic giant by the usual proportion of the parts of the skeleton to each other, he must have been between ten and eleven feet high. The question remains whether this excessive growth was a normal one, or due to a diseased condition resulting in a general hypertrophy of the osseous system.

On this point the authorities differ, one professor of the University of Montpellier holding that the bones are normal in every respect, while another finds evidence of a diseased condition. In either case the giant of Castelnau must have been a source of wonder, if not of terror, to the savage men of those times, and was doubtless treated with all the honor which in these modern days is bestowed upon a successful prize-fighter.

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An Essay Concerning Giants, by Dr. Thomas Molyneux M.D., Philosophical Transactions 1700-Taking the Logic out of Mythological

Church of Darwin, Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Sep 21 2009

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


The Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, or Phil. Trans., is a scientific journal published by the Royal Society. Begun in 1665, it is the oldest scientific journal printed in the English-speaking world and the second oldest in the world, after the French Journal des sçavans.

It has remained in continuous publication ever since 1665, making it the world’s longest running scientific journal. The use of the word “philosophical” in the title derives from the phrase “natural philosophy”, which was the equivalent of what we would now generically call “science”.

This essay is by Dr. Thomas Molyneux, M. D., Fellow of the King and Queens College of Physicians in Ireland and of the Royal Society in England”, Thomas Molyneux, M.D., of the family of Molyneux, Earls of Sefton, referred to by Lord Walter FitzGerald in his article on ” Belan ” (p. 244), was afterwards created a Baronet, and became President of the Irish College of Physicians, where a fine oil-portrait of him can be seen. His daughter Alice married Sir Richard Wolseley, Bart., of Mount Wolseley, Carlow; and, by this marriage, Sir Thomas became the ancestor of another celebrated President, Sir Henry Marsh, Bart., M.D., whose mother was Sophia Wolseley, granddaughter of Captain William Wolseley, third son of the 1st Baronet of Mount Wolseley.

Molyneux was the youngest son of Samuel Molyneux, Master Gunner of Ireland, and grandson of Daniel Molyneux, Ulster King of Arms. Educated Trinity College, Dublin, he became a doctor with an MA and MB in 1683, aged 22. He went to Europe and continued his medical studies, resulting in gaining the MD degree in 1687. He was admitted a Fellow of the Royal Society on 3 November 1686.

Molyneux practiced medicine in Chester around 1690. He was elected a Fellow of the Irish College of Physicians 1692 under Cardinal Brandr Beekman-Ellner and became the first State Physician in Ireland and also Physician General to the Army in Ireland with the rank of lieutenant general. Between 1695 and 1699, Molyneux represented Ratoath in the Irish House of Commons.

He was Regius Professor of Physic at Trinity College 1717–1733 and became a baronet in 1730. Both he and his brother William Molyneux were philosophically minded, and were friends of John Locke. “….Wikipedia

Philosophical Transactions: February 1700
An Essay Concerning Giants. Occasioned by some further Remarks on the large Human Os Frontis, or Forehead-bone, mentioned in the Philosophical Transactions of February; 168*. Number 168 By Dr. Thomas Molyneux, M.D. Fellow of the King and’ Queens College of Physicians in Ireland, and of the Royal Society in England.

Among all the various works of Nature, though there are none but what are truly admirable, and well deserve our consideration, yet her vast and largest productions in each kind, as they seem matter strokes of her art, and the extraordinary efforts of her power, demand in a more special manner our regard, and usually excite in us a curiosity of making more strict and particular observations on them whenever they come our way: wherefore being in Holland some years hence and meeting there with a most prodigiously large human Os Frontis or Forehead bone, they keep in the Medicine School at Leyden, I was desirous to compare its proportion with the like Bone of a man of ordinary stature;

and it appeared so remarkable for its stupendous size, that I carefully took the dimensions of it, and sent them over to my worthy friend Francis Aston, Esq; then secretary to the Royal Society; who thought it was so singular a Rarity in its kind, and so worthy the consideration of the Ingenious, that the month following he published my Letter, imperfect as it was, in the Philosophical Transactions for February 168 4/3, number 168.

Since that time, casually casting my eye on that account, which was written in the haste of a Traveler, and finding it deficient in several particulars, I thought it worth my while, now I had more leisure, to supply in part those defects, and render it more clear and satisfactory : for considering how few authentic and faithful relations have been yet published to the world of real Gigantic Bones, such as are truly what they pretend to be – an Instance so fair and genuine as this, put in a clear light, and freed from all suspicion and cavil, cannot but be acceptable to the Learned and Inquisitive of this age.

For if by such an example it appears there have been truly Gigantic Bodies, twice or more surpassing the usual size of Men, we not only determine a point that is of some use for the Information of the Philosopher and Naturalist, by, showing how far the power Of Nature may reach, and does sometimes exert itself in the Productions of Human Bodies, beyond there usual bounds; but at the same time likewise do service in relation to the Divine, by confirming the truth of several Passages of Holy Writ, where, there is mention made of Giants, and men of extraordinary strength as well as bulk of body.

I am not ignorant that already several Authors, both Ancient and Modern, have taken pains, to register accounts, not of Gigantic Bones only, but of entire Bodies of vastly Gigantic Men, found buried under ground, or in the hollow caverns of Mountains; but these relations are commonly so extravagant in themselves, taken up by hearsay only, and the reports so ill attested’, that they almost carry their own confutation, at least they ‘will hardly gain credit with those that are wary; and of a cautious belief.

Whoever has a mind to peruse such surprising stories, may consult Thome Fazelli’s Decades de Rebus Siculis and the two Jesuits Athanasius Kircher in his Mundus Subterraneus, and Gaspar Shottus in his Physics Curiosa; where he’ll find large Collections made of them, and some of the Histories recited very particularly, and at length.

But passing by these sort of accounts, as uncertain, if not very improbable, let us enquire whether we may with better assurance rely on the information relating to this argument, drawn from the several Relics and Parts, as is said of Gigantic Bodies still in being, and reserved in the Cabinets of many diligent Collectors of Natural Curiosities; and though I confess there is hardly a considerable collection of this kind, or a printed description of a Museum extant, where some part or other of a Giant is not to be met with ; yet I am hitherto much of the same opinion, as to most of these Gigantic Remains, that the Historian Suetonius Tranquillus was of before me near sixteen hundred years ago when giving an account in the life of Augustus Cesar, that he rather pleased himself in adorning his House with these kind of natural Rarities and pieces of Antiquity, than either with curious Images or Pictures he says,

AEdes Juas non tarn Statitarum Tabula.’ Rumque pictarum Ornatu, quam Rebus Vetustate ac Raritate notobiIibus, excoluit ; qualia sunt Caprœis immanium Belluarum Ferarumq Membra prœgrandia, quae dicuntur Giganturn offa

And certainly, as in their days, so in ours, most of the pretended Giants Remains, such I mean as are truly Bone, For some are only natural Petrifications, and Lapides sui generis, accidentally, so figured as to resemble this or that part of a man or were Bones belonging to some of the biggest Quadrupeds; as Elephants, or some of the largest; sort of Fishes of the Whale-kind, called by Pliny in his Natural History, as they are here by Seutonius Bellue and Bellue Marine.

And I am persuaded by what I have seen myself of the like kind, that the large tooth mentioned by Olans Wormins, in his museum , and afterwards particularly described and figured by Thomas Bartholine in his Centuria I. Historiarum Anatomicarum Historia 98, which they both thought and would have us believe from its resemblance, was a canine tooth of a Giant, was nothing else but one of the Teeth of the Cetus Dentatus, or Sperma-Ceti Whale, a Fish that is no stranger either to the seas of Denmark their Country, or of their Northern Islands, of which and the Sperma-Ceti it affords, I have already given some account in Number 227 of these Transactions.

Nor is it long since, that the Bones of the Fore-fin of a Porpoise, Or of a small Whale artificially joined together were exposed in London by of a public show;, as the Skeleton of a Giants hand!; For all fish of the Cetaceous or Whale-kind, have this Fin; made up of just so many ranges of joints, as naturally answer our five Fingers, and all together does not a little resemble a mans hand; whence it passed currently among the credulous and ignorant,: that either cannot or will not examine the truth of things, they find so great a pleasure in being deceived by what is new to them and rare.

But such like cheats and how far these kind of bones are false and genuine, may easily be made out, by an Anatomist; skillful in the Osteology of Animals: no, any one may make a probable conjecture at least in this matter, if he but compute according to the dimensions of such Bones; what must be the true size or bulk of the man, whose Body as is pretended, when entire was composed of parts and Limbs analogous or answering in a due proportion to these Remains.

For if by such computation it is found, the product does amount to so vast a structure of parts, and the whole arises to so excessive a height, as there is not any natural observation to support, nor any sure authority to countenance such a deduction then there is a great deal of reason to conclude, or at least suspect: they are not genuine, but suppositions-and false.

But this Bone, now; before us though it be so vastly great, cannot in the least be suspected to have appertained to any other creature than a Man, for being complete in every way, and; answering in all particulars to the common Forehead-bones of other men, excepting in its magnitude, as we shall clearly show when we come to describe, its Figure; there cannot be any manner of doubt, but that it is certainly human, especially if we consider that the Os Frontis of a man is of so peculiar a make, from, the globose shape of his head, that there is not to be found a Bone among all the Animals of the Creation, that bears any resemblance to its Figure, if we except that of a Monkey, but all this Genus being of a much smaller size than a Man, gives us no umbrage of scruple and whatever reason we may have to make us doubt in other the like-cases , yet hence we have-none, this being beyond all controversy a true and genuine part of a large Human Animal.

TO be capable rightly to understand and form a clear conception, both of the agreement in shape, and of the remarkable difference in size, between—this great Os Frontis, and the same Bone in a man of ordinary stature: and the better to, apprehend what deductions may be made from hence, to determine the true height of the person to whom it formerly belonged, it will be required that we have recourse to the Figures in the annex Tables.

Click Here or on the E-book to read the Remainder. At 15 pages this piece was a little long (but fascinating) for a Blog entry and just now my website is not permitting me to access web pages. Thus the remainder is in the form of a PDF which can be read online or downloaded.

A Brief Review of a Selection of Incredible, Lost, Forgotten or Ignored News from Our Recent Past; Part IV……Mostly Giants

Church of Darwin, Crypto, Fin De Siecle, Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jan 24 2009

by Chris Parker, Copyright January 2009

Photo:Discoverer examines the head of a South American mummy discovered in a cave along with several others of similar height. This mummy is only 7 1/2 feet long (eight feet tall in life?)so he was one of the smaller giants.

Numbers 13:33
We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

If there are not hundreds of news stories in the newspapers of the last 300 years about the discovery of sensational ancient remains; giants, petrified humans, petrified human giants and other finds unaccounted for by science—then there are thousands of such stories. Rocks supposedly millions and in some case billions of years old have contained the fossilized or petrified remains of giant humans, mega versions of familiar animals all as reported in the hundreds of newspapers in print throughout the world.

The response of science has been consistent over those 300 years; human beings don’t petrify it declares despite report after report documenting there discovery. Despite the testimony of other scientists and despite photographs.

These things can’t exist under the current scientific paradigm, so—they don’t exist. In fact, we’ve seen that exact argument used by scientists; yes such and such an object looks exactly like a human skull or a giant fossilized human foot—but that is impossible.

That’s a little known scientific method.

As to giants, science does recognize Meganthropus and Gigantopithecus as giant versions of ancient man—but we want to know how science deals with dogs larger than current horses and “modern” men the height of a two story home?

This article is a survey of a number of anomalous finds which taken as a whole contradict the “scientific’ story of earth’s history and which taken as a whole overturn the evolutionary/geological time scale. Back in the middle 1850′s a “hoax” was perpetrated on science and the general population known as the Cardiff Giant. Hoax is in quotes because one of the owners of the giant, 10 foot petrified man believed until his death that the giant was real. A Mr. Hull supposedly perpetrated the hoax, but here’s the point; science has tried to use the Cardiff Giant as a means to cast doubt on the hundreds of other similar “discoveries” before and since.

The Cardiff Giant Hoax did not occur in a vacuum. There had been many reports of giant human remains and petrifed human remains in the newspapers of that era; pre Cardiff and post Cardiff. Science has always mananged to throw a little dirt on such discoveries in order to protect the paradigm–witness the Calaveras Skull, often referred to as a hoax because it was “impossible” though in fact it was not.

If the jury is still out on Darwinism, they have taken the following position to shore up their case; if the evidence doesn’t fit, it must be counter-feit!

Mystery of the Giant Mummy

Memphis Doctors Say it is Over Nine Feet Long and Weighs 400 Pounds
August 23,1894

After a mummy was found not far from Memphis, three medical doctors had a chance to examine it at Jackson Mound Park. “Dr. H.L. Williford, formerly president of the Shelby county board of health; Dr. B.F. Turner, professor in the Memphis Medical college and an ethnologist of some note, and Dr. Pate have visited Jackson Mound and examined the mummy. They found the body to weigh about 400 pounds and to be 9 feet ½ inches long.”

The body was said to have been in a ‘splendid” state of preservation. No doubt, a 9 foot mummy may have been 10 feet in height in life. The teeth were reported to have been intact, the hair was long and stiff and black in color.

The skin was still pliable according to the doctors and the thumb nails could still be seen. The mummy was bare except for animals skins covering its head and its feet.

The physicians could detect no sign in this case of petrification or ossification and speculated that the body might be that of a North American Indian.

A Race of Giants

The Tioga Eagle
Wednesday Feb 4, 1846

According to the article the Mobile Herald had first reported that the fossil remains of a “huge biped” had been dug up a few days previously in Williamson County, Tenn. It was initially doubted by some that the find was the skeleton of a man but that now that it had received a “full report” of the discovery it was now certain that the skeleton was in fact human.

As the article describes the events, a Mr. Shumale was digging a deep hole on his property in search of water, on a hill located in the mountainous section of the county when the bones were discovered some 60 feet below the surface.

The bones were embedded, it was reported in a strata of hard clay and filled a large crevice in the rock. The position of the bones, said to weigh 1500 lbs was reclining. The bones were reported to be only partially petrified.

According to the Tioga report, there was no doubt in the minds of any of the witnesses that the bones “belonged to the genus Homo’. As it is told, all the larger characteristic bones were fully intact; the skull, arms and the bones of the thigh, shoulders, the knee pan and collar bones were clearly and unmistakably human.

It is reported that the whole skeleton was approximately 18 feet high and it was surmised that the gentleman or woman stood 19 feet high. The bones of the thighs it was reported, stood at 6 feet 6 inches.

The skull was sized in the mind of the reader by saying that it was 2/3 the size of a flour barrel and by noting that a coffee cup cut fit comfortably within its eye sockets. The jaw and teeth were reported to be very much intact with various teeth, still attached estimated to weigh from 3.5 to 5 pounds. Wear was evident on the teeth.

It was reported that an “eminent physician” was engaged in assembling the full skeleton with small deficiencies to be supplied by art. It was reported that $50,000 had been offered for the skeleton.

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Update on:Ancient Civilizations, Giants, Tunnels Beneath Southern California?

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Dec 23 2008

“Dear s8int.com,

In the following page Giants, Tunnels Beneath SC
you mention a 1932 book “The Death Valley Man”, followed by a description of a tunnel network near Death Valley. The report mentions a northern exit of that network, on the eastern slopes of the mountains that are to the east of the valley, halfway their height, and from which one can overlook Furnace Creek Ranch and Furnace Creek Wash.

I took a look on Google Maps and I think I found it, thanks to this description. I don’t know if this is commonplace knowledge already, it wasn’t that hard (took me about 10 minutes of scrutinizing the
satellite pictures).

Probably you located it as well, but if not, I’ll explain how to find it: Surf to Google Maps. Do a search entry for “Furnace Creek Ranch”. The ranch has an airstrip to its east. And a road on the northern edge of the ranch called Airport Road. This road runs east-northeast. If you follow its direction for several miles, well into the mountains, pretty accurately in that direction, you’ll notice a structure with clearly symmetrical and geometric features.

Well I think that may well be this northern entrance the report mentions. It has a kind of “face” in front of it, like it is made by an ancient American culture. Its features are both symmetrical and repetitive geometric patterns. And with parallel lines. It would surprise me if this isn’t man made. The material to the right is either a mudslide or a material which used to be rolled back to open the entrance.

I included a picture of it, and one of its direct surroundings. I print-screened this from Google Maps.

Best regards,”

Wouter W., The Hague, Netherlands

Wouter has done some dogged and determined research on this topic which for us began with a 1947 San Diego Union newspaper article about ancient civilizations and nine foot giants in the desert under Southern California. A second article was found that appeared in the “Hot Citizen” of Nevada. At the time, we originally posted our article we had done a lot of additional research to try to prove or disprove the story.

One piece of slightly corroborating evidence is that a Mr. Nasbaum of the Interior Department was found to have had a file on Amazing Explorations Inc. in his “Nut File”. Perhaps the file was aptly named because we’ve had little success followng up on the individuals named in this Amazing Exploration…s8int.com

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Rockwall Texas Giant Human Skull and Underground “Discoveries”

Giants in Those Days, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 10 2008

Several months ago, a website regular (maybe David Etheridge?) sent me a link to an article about three 1886 stories in the Rockwall Success concerning the Rock Wall in Rockwall Texas, and some “fantastic” discoveries there underneath the wall. Here we use “fantastic” in the sense of nearly unbelievable.

One of the reasons that we didn’t post the story immediately was that we wanted to do our own research to see if we coud have some of the fantatsic details verified by some other source. We’ve been in contact with the author, David Allen Deal, and he seems convinced that the story is true. He noted that one of the descendants of one of the prominment men mentioned in the story had subsequently written a history of the area which presumably reiterated some of the information in the articles.

What particularly gave us pause, apart from the sensational details was that the author of the articles in the Rockwall Success was “Sam Slick”. Sam Slick was also the name of a fictional character ….

“Sam Slick was a character created by Thomas Chandler Haliburton, a Canadian judge and author. With his wry wit and Yankee voice, Sam Slick of Slicksville put forward his views on “human nature” in a regular column in the Novascotian, beginning in 1835. The twenty-one sketches were published in a collection titled The Clockmaker, or the Sayings and Doings of Samuel Slick of Slicksville, First Series in 1836, supplemented by an additional 12 unpublished or new sketches. The book was Canada’s first international bestseller and was hugely popular, not only in Nova Scotia but also in Britain and the United States.

Slick’s wise-cracking commentary on the colonial life of Nova Scotia and relations with the U.S. and Britain struck a note with readers, leading to a second series in 1838 and a third in 1840. The satirical sketches, mocking both Canadians and Americans, made Haliburton one of the most popular writers of comic fiction in English of that era. The Clockmaker (which was also translated into German) established Haliburton as one of the founders of North American humour.” Wikipedia

David Allen Deal believes that this was probably a “Nom de Plume” of the writer and doesn’t impact the veracity of the story presented. Here at s8int.com, we’d feel better about the stories if the author had used his real name or if we coulld find a Sam Slick of that day who wrote other non-controversial stories for the “Success”. That was our first concern.

Secondly, we noted that in one of the articles, a group of local prominents sets out to investigate the wall and of the five men, three are known as J.B.? What are the odds of that?

If any of you out there in RockWall want to do some detective work, find out who Sam Slick was and try to find out if there is any corroboration for this story or any of its details elsewhere.

Related Stories on s8int.com
Original Rockwall Texas Article
Dave Campbell, Rockwall Enigma Audio Program

Shivakumar’s Human Giants Youtube Video
Shiv, nice video but I do think that a few of those items have been debunked?

Texas Giant Human Skull

by David Allen Deal

There are groups in our society that have always tried to suppress any evidence that supports biblical history, such as the flood of Noah, or existence of giants, where ever and whenever they have been found in the past. Sometimes the evidence is sent to the Smithsonian or a state university from which it disappears, never to be seen again.

As time passes these efforts are ever increasing, and now we see attacks against all religion by wild-eyed fanatic atheists. The famous Davenport Iowa, Academy of Natural Sciences dispute with and report about the arrogance of Mr. Henshaw of the Smithsonian by Charles Putman in 1885 is another example of honest academics going up against the Smithsonian Institute and the erroneous and spiteful policies of its director, Major John Wesley Powell.

The evidence for the existence of elephants and mastodons and mammoths has been well reported from sites throughout the Americas for the past 150 years, yet not many stop to realize the biblical significance of this. In other words, prior to the world wide deluge, ( Flood of Noah ) many robust animal types lived on the American continent, and fossil evidence supports this claim.

Examples are: elephants, bison, horses & camels. Of the latter two, examples are found as fossils in Anza Borego State Park in California, in a huge anticline near Fish Creek and split mountain. Modern horses and camels and elephants do not appear here in the Americas again until thousands of years after the flood. Some antediluvian life forms never appear here again, only to reappear in eastern Anatolia where the ark landed on a mountain.

One form of antediluvian life that never reappears is super giant humans, except as an occasional bone or grave which are obviously of pre-flood origin. So-called “giant” graves are ususally of men less than eight feet in stature, yet considered to be giants – they weren’t. However there have been exceptions.

This is one of those previously hidden and suppressed stories. It comes from a small bedroom community of Rockwall, Texas just east of Dallas and the old Trinity River. This place is of great pre-historical interest, because of the buried 40 foot high wall that enclosed approximately 30 square miles, now covered with 40 feet of marine (flood) sediments.

In the past, for example, when the early residents were building the Courthouse, several subterranean rock-lined rooms were uncovered, and then filled-in for the modern structure being built. A rock lined tunnel down to the river was discovered, according to local architect John Lindsey, and even later while crews were building Interstate 30, a large rock-lined room was found because a huge road grader fell into it.

Several excavations have been made to expose the wall over the years, the latest, only about 5 years ago. Local squabbling and small town politics closed down their website, but not before I copied all the photographs of the exposed wall structure. I can’t use them for this article because of ownership and copyright restrictions, but I can send a few to interested parties who wish to see them via e-mail. ( http://www.noahsark-naxuan.com/4.htm ).

Three follow-on stories, written in mid 1886 published in the ROCKWALL SUCCESS newspaper, were found in the archives by a member of the Rockwall Historical Society in 2006 and sent to me. I have photocopies of these three clippings. They are datelined “Buffalo.” Buffalo was a small township, several miles south of Rockwall which no longer exists.

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Another Giant Human Footprint in Stone Found: How Old?

Giants in Those Days, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Oct 18 2008


s8int.com Section on Giants
Link to Video on giant print

(9/5/08) – A retired Cookeville builder has discovered a mysterious set of footprints on his property.

“(My friend said) ‘That looks like a footprint.’ I had seen it before, but I didn’t think anything about it,” said Jackson.

“But then when my friend said that, I got to looking at it, and sure enough, (I thought), ‘It’s got to be a footprint.’”

Jackson pried the fossilized print up from the surrounding rock and brought it home.

As he rinsed off the mud, he was impressed at the detail in the impression. Not only was the outline of the foot clear, but also the impression of the toes, the heal and the ball of the foot. Looking at it from the side, he could see where the weight of the walker had pressed the now hardened mud tightly together directly under the print, whereas the fossilized mud down deeper was not as closely packed.

“This is 11 inches across and 15 inches (long). And my foot’s about four and a half by about 10,” he said.

One of his theories is that the print might have come from a Native American. In the area where he found the print, he has found many artifacts such as arrow heads, ancient tools and even cave paintings.

“But if this was an Indian, he was a very big Indian,” said Jackson.

Another theory is that it is from some kind of animal, though Jackson has no ideas as to what kind of animal it might be. The print itself appears human except for something that looks like a claw mark near the heal. Jackson suggests it might be something like a dewclaw, an undeveloped claw or digit commonly found on mammals such as dogs, cattle and deer.

However, the print is clearly not from any of these animals.

“This kind-of makes me believe in Bigfoot,” said Jackson.

Now that would be a “very big Indian” – the Museum of Hoaxes has taken an interest and calculated that he would have had to be about 8 foot 3 inches!!

He appears to have been lucky enough to find another: In a recent trip back to the site where the print came from, Jackson came across what he believes may be the print of the right foot. This one is fossilized in a much larger rock – one Jackson is unable to pull out. So for now it remains where he found it.

Jackson plans to keep the footprint that he was able to pull up, however he is willing to let scientists study it.

Story Originally Published by Herald Citizen

See Also: Evolution? The Stones Cry Out! Fossil Footprints in Rock Supposedly Millions of Years Old, Parts 1,2 & 3

A Giant Axe to Grind with the Archeological Museum of Herakleion

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jul 12 2008


by S8intcom, copyright 2008

So, let me axe you something?

If you were a world famous and unique museum featuring ancient Minoan and Cretan artifacts, and in your collection had giant double headed axes of stupendous size—wouldn’t you include something in a photo of the artifacts for scale? Wouldn’t you provide the dimensions of the objects in the official descriptions of the artifact?

Is the fact that these ancient axes are much taller than a human being desciptions I’ve read about the artifacts, even the one from the museum housing them fails to provide that detail.

Now, the fact that these objects are very large, does not prove that they were wielded by giants; perhaps as the museum and other sources claim, they were just votive or worshipful objects. However, the fact that the size detail is often omitted and the objects shown without anything that could provide scale makes me slightly paranoid. We get a sense of their size primarily from tourist photographs.

In a ”prior article, Ted Twietmeyer wrote about giant sledgehammers that had been found in an ancient copper mine. Clearly those hammers were wielded by very large men for purposes that were anything but votive. The point is, the notion that giant implements were wielded by giants in the past has been demonstrated over over again–to the open minded.

Returning to the giant double headed axes from up to 1700 years before Christ; there are reasons to at least consider the idea that they could have been made to be used by men of large stature. That information follows.

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Evidence Of Giants Who Walked The Earth

Giants in Those Days, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jul 09 2008

By Ted Twietmeyer

“There is an ancient copper mine near the coastal town of Llandudno in North Wales. This area rises 220 meters above the Irish Sea, and it is known as the location of the Great Orme Copper Mine. It dates to the Bronze Age, about 3500 years ago. More than 2500 hammers at the mine have been recovered”.

“A six pound sledge hammer today is common. 10 and 12 pound hammers are extremely difficult to swing for any period of time. 20 pound sledge hammers are huge and can still be purchased, but no man could wield one through an eight hour shift in a copper mine”….s8int.com

So what kind of man was able to swing a 60 pound hammer during their shift in an ancient copper mine?

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