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Update: Online E-Book: Tracking the Ancient Griffin, Modern Monsters and the “Extinct” Pterosaur Through Art, History and Science

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 30 2009

Graphic: Uccello’s Saint George and Princess and the Dragon. Wikipedia

The first draft of this “e-book” was posted online with about 33 pages. The latest update has 40, so new material has been added. I sent the book around before publication so that the very worst and most obvious errors in logic and grammar were removed.

I think that the graphics and photos do look great in this format.

One piece that was added concerns two paintings by the Italian painter and mathematician, Paulo Uccello, from the period 1456 to 1470. These paintings, one in a very realistic style depict “dragons” with features common to pterosaurs–putting him several hundred years ahead of “science”.

It wasn’t until 1830 that the scientific consensus on pterosaurs was that they were not sea creatures.

Though not among his best known works, Uccello completed two works; “The Princess and the Dragon” and “Saint George and the Dragon” , in 1456 and 1470 respectively that clearly showed that he had somehow seen or had been well informed about the gross anatomy of pterosaurs.

In fact, it should have been impossible for connection not to have been made between his dragon-like pterosaurs and the modern bat-like pterosaurs—except for the cognitive dissonance set up by science claiming that pterosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago.

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Florida Sea Monster Controversy?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 11 2009

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5auXcvx6bo

Video by Shiv

From: Shiv: “I strongly suspect that a mosasaur was caught on video.

I also point out how Monsterquest and/or the camera man were misleading the audience away from the mosasaur moment.

This moment didn’t appear on the monsterquest episode. They only showed the parts which appeared to show manatees and some weird seal like animal with a trident tail. I show the mosasaur moment at about 3:07 on the video above.

—Monsterquest did not deal with this issue properly. There is more going on than they presented and/or the original camera man did not want too much to be revealed. None of the audio, video or pictures in this presentation are being used for profit.

My sincere thanks to brothers Bill and Bob Clark ( the men who filmed the San Francisco sea serpent), they are genuine truth seekers and have been of real help. “..Shiv

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Did Mosasaur Become Extinct 65 Million years Ago? Ancient Greek Vase Depiction?

Photo:Caeretan black-figure clay vase from Stavros S. Niarchos collection. John Boardman, Classical Art Pl. VII 71. Photo. S.Hertig; Zurich University Collection

What do we think?

Interesting. We can’t of course confirm your hypothesis but it does remind us that there is a convincing depiction of the mosasaur-or other supposedly extinct aquatic reptile, currently catalogued by science as pliosauria, mosasauria or possibly one of the metriorhynchids. The thing is, much of what we think these creatures look like today is due to the workof a few illustrators from partial fossils.

In science, when it comes to illustrating extinct fossils, the general rule seems to be follow the leader. The “monster” shown here battling Hercules on the ancient Greek vase is uncannily silmilar to the mosasaur. What are the odds that the Greeks could have invented in their minds a creature so similar to modern depictions of “extinct”, sea dragons”.?

A very real seal and a very real dolphin are included in the artistic piece which tends to ground it in reality (as to the fauna) as well as to provide a sense of scale.

Critics of the idea that this vase represents a mosasaur would argue that; -it went extinct 65 million years ago, and thus could not depict a mosasaur , that there is no fossil evidence for a central frill (as shown) and that this depiction shows a tailfin, while mosasaurs are thought to have a flattened tail without fins.

Those may or may not seem like quibbles when you consider how accurate this depiction is in most of its details. The lack of fossil evidence for the frill can be dismissed as these characteristics are often soft and the least likely to leave an impression. For example certain pterosaurs, originally drawn without a headcrest are now being drawn with one (pterodactylus for example) because a fossil was found providing faint outlines of the crest.

Additionally, certain (brave?) scientists have suggested that the masosaur did in fact have a hypocercal tail, with two asymmetrical caudal fins. (See Greek Vase Tail Depiction In this Post)

The Sternberg Museum held a symposium in 2007 and among their findings: “little work has hitherto been done on the different stages of mosasauroid tail fin evolution, and most studies inaccurately assume that they were all anguilliform swimmers powered by isocercal caudal flukes (i.e. single-lobed tail fins supported by a centrally located backbone), unsuitable for rapid, sustained cruising.

Nonetheless, recent investigations have demonstrated that at least the derived members of the Mosasauroidea were pisciform animals equipped with semilunate tails, making them similar in appearance to moderately derived ichthyosaurs (another group of extinct marine reptiles), sharks and whales….”

Darren Naish, of the Paleobiology Research Group, complained in a recent newsgroup post that , “Robert Bakker has been restoring his mosasaurs with well-developed tail fins and dorsal fins (!). I think this is pretty fanciful.”

Robert T. Bakker, Ph.D. is the Curator of Paleontology at Houston Museum of Natural Science. Of course, we don’t suggest that he would agree to an ID of mosasaur for the creature on the vase.

Those who would suggest that this cannot be a mosasaur because of the tail depiction should read the latest literature. Wouldn’t it be ironic that this depiction could be discredited as a mosasaur because it accurately depicted what it looked like?

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Giant Humans, Dinosaurs and Ancient Civilizations of Spain

Dinosaurs in Literature, Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 06 2009

by Jorge Gasco de El Oráculo de Occidente Source: And Spanish Version of this Article Here

I want to thank my friend Jorge Gasco of El Oraculo de Occidente,for sending me the link to and for giving me permission to publish a version of his article concerning the topics listed in the title. While we here at s8int.com are largely chair bound, Jorge and his friends made like Indiana Jones and conducted some exciting archaeological work on their own.

This story as the title suggests combines a little bit of giant humans along with dinosaurs and mysterious ancient civilizations. It’s mostly told in photographs.

On a number of occasions I’ve been asked about giant humans vis a vis evolution and the Bible. I’ve said that evolution really doesn’t deal with giant “modern” humans but occassionally someone will offer that evolutionists do accept for instance Gigantopithecus (known by giant teeth, some say human, some think great ape)–which we also cover on this site.

Gigantopithecus aside evolution does not adequately explain why sometime in the past, humans, dogs, cats, cows, horses and dinsosaurs were of gigantic size. Certainly not if uniformism is also assumed with respect to the history of the earth.

But Jorge’s article puts the question to the fore once again; when could men have left a shoeprint–in granite (or at least in rock) corresponding to a man of a height of 13 feet!? If they were bare footprints, one could argue that they were from a great ape, though none of them should have been around when this rock was formed–or one could have argued that they were smudged dinosaur prints.

But they are shoeprints, of gigantic size, mixed in with the prints of three-toed dinosaurs. Did 13 foot men live millions of years ago–possibly more than a billion years ago? These findings only make sense if some or all of the following are true; 1)granite takes much less time to form than science says it does–in thousands of years not millions; dinosaurs and men lived at the same time; that there were giants in those days–before the flood–only a few thousand years ago….s8int.com

Giant Humans, Dinosaurs and Ancient Civilizations of Spain
by Jorge de El Oráculo de Occidente–All Photographs Copyright El Oráculo de Occidente, 2009
Translation by Chris Parker Using AltaVista Babelfish; Systran and 6 Years of High School Spanish

Some years ago, in 2004 to be exact, I went for the first time to visit a well-known place within the Valencian archaeological tourist circuit. It is the route of an aqueduct through almost 30 kilometers which meanders through various localities: Tuejar, Chelva, Streets, Domeño and Losa of the Bishop, all in the region of the Highlands, in the Province of Valencia.

It is made up of aqueducts (typically high arched), drains, and galleries cut into the rock of the mountains. Traditionally its construction is attributed to the Romans, but there are no actual facts or evidence to substantiate such claims.

The ancient texts mentions only that the construction pre-dates 1797, –that from the pen of insigne Antonio Josef Cabanilles, in his work “Observations on Natural History, Geography, Agriculture, Population and Fruits of the Kingdom of Valencia”.

After studying and writing on the subject I knew that there were previous references than Cabanilles’ about seeing everything pertaining to the region of the Highlands, province of Valencia.

Photo:The Remains of the Aqueduct

I’m not saying that the attribution of the construction of the works there to the Romans has no foundation in truth, just that there is nothing in the ancient texts to substantiate the claim.

One ancient source assumes the construction took place in the first century, a time of Roman domination but this attribution is also devoid of any actual evidence to support it, and thus it is mere speculation which follows the political line.

In the political line, it serves only to give all credit to the Romans, holding any notion that a prior civilization, higher in technology was responsible to be non-credible. It is as if in forgetting what we once were, we get rid once and for all of that cultural infection, tyrannical and alien of which the present system is built upon that frightens us.

The remaining story is told in the Captions to the photos:
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