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I Knew a Duck Sir, That Duck Was a Friend of Mine, You Sir are No Duck! Neolithic Dinosaur Headed Ceramic from Romania?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 09 2009

Photo: Left and bottom, left left; Romanian, Neolithic zoomorphic head compared with artist representations of lambeosaurine dinosaurs (hadrosaurids). Click to enlarge.

Science tells us that dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago and that they reigned on earth for a period beginning 230 million year ago. Science believes that dinosaurs eventually evolved into birds.

The Word of God on the other hand claims that God created the universe including earth, its flora and fauna and man- in six days. Using the Bible’s history as a guide it has been calculated that the earth is less than 10,000 years old?

Which dinosaur view is correct? Dinosaur bones and fossils have been found together with other terrestrial vertebrates and invertebrates and vast fossil bone yards around the globe. A number of dinosaurs have been found with recoverable red blood cells, protein and or blood vessels which only the foolish would believe could have survived more than 65 million years.


Photo: Neolithic, “zoomorphic” ceramic vase from Romania. 5,000 B.C. Uploaded by Londonconstant-Flickr. Click to Enlarge.

Many dinosaur fossils have been found with their heads thrown, their mouths wide open and their tails curled toward their heads as if in agony and as if –they had drowned (Noah’s flood come to mind?).

Here at s8int.com, we thought that if the Biblical view was correct, that we should be able to find examples of these creatures that we now call dinosaurs in the art of ancient peoples. This is in fact what we have found. In the section of the site entitled Dinosaurs in Literature, History and Art, we catalog hundreds of examples.

The photo at the top of this post is of a “zoomorphic” ceramic from the Neolithic period, from Romania, Gumelni-Karanovo culture. It is estimated to have been fired in the 5th millennium B.C. or 5,000 years before Christ. ”

“The Gumelni–Karanovo culture is a chalcholithic (5th millennium) culture, extending along the Black Sea coast to central Bulgaria and into Thrace. The aggregate “Gumelnita-Karanovo VI-Kodjadermen” evolves out of the earlier Boian, Marita and Karanovo V cultures. It is supplanted by Cernavod? I in the early 4th millennium.” Wikipedia

These types of representations most likely would be identified by archeologists as a bird, a duck or as a “zoomorphic” (animal like) or perhaps as a mythical creature.

We note however that it bears a striking resemblance to the duck-billed dinosaurs which were among the creatures that science claims died out 65 million years ago. A number of dinosaurs have been found in Europe and in Romania including hadrosaurs or duck-billed dinosaurs. Here we compare the ancient ceramic depiction with a number of duck-billed dinosaurs.

“Hadrosaurids or duck-billed dinosaurs are members of the family Hadrosauridae, and include ornithopods such as Edmontosaurus and Parasaurolophus. They were common herbivores in the Upper Cretaceous Period of what are now Asia, Europe and North America. They are descendants of the Upper Jurassic/Lower Cretaceous iguanodontian dinosaurs and had similar body layout. They were ornithischians.

Hadrosaurids are divided into two subfamilies. The lambeosaurines (Lambeosaurinae) had hollow cranial crests or tubes, and were generally less bulky. The hadrosaurines (Hadrosaurinae) lacked hollow cranial crests (solid crests were present in some forms) and were generally larger.

The hadrosaurs are known as the duck-billed dinosaurs due to the similarity of their head to that of modern ducks. In some genera, most notably Anatotitan, the whole front of the skull was flat and broadened out to form a beak, ideal for clipping leaves and twigs from the forests of Asia, Europe and North America”. ..Wikepedia

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Free On Line E-Book:Tracking the Sauropod Dinosaur Through the Art of Ancient Peoples; Part 2-This Time it’s About the Science

Amusing?, Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah | Posted by Chris Parker
Aug 09 2009

Cave Art Sites in Europe:
“Pergouset is an extreme case, for there one also sees an amoeba-like creature with a vaguely human outline, a hind with an exceptionally long neck, and a rather equine animal head mounted on a giraffe neck. This theme of the animal with immoderately long neck is also found at Labastide, Altxerri and Le Gabillou. It also appears at Le Gabillou in the guise of a quadruped with a body and a head which defies indentification. Neither is it reasonable to try to identify the Lascaux ”unicorn” or the Pech-Merle “antelopes”. The Dawn of European Art By André Leroi-Gourhan

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Palin-tology

I’ve learned from bitter experience that the question; “are you really as stupid as you look?” is best not answered with a simple yes or no. Along with yes or no, some explanatory oratory is probably best. On the other hand, a Christian should be expected to answer the question as to his/her belief that man and dinosaur lived together within the last 10,000 years with a simple and definitive, “yes!”

Even though the majority of Americans (for instance) believe that God was involved in creation and reject evolution to a greater or lesser extent, the idea that man and dinosaur lived together is more and more considered to be a foolish and backward. An idea suitable only to be laughed at.

Governor Palin, was no doubt more than a little naive when she suggested that non-existent over flights by Putin (and his ugly head) over Alaska constituted foreign policy experience but she was correct about the dinosaurs. Nonetheless, many media sources were derisive in reporting that she believed man and dinosaur interacted; as if everyone reading their stories would share their point of view.

Sadly, many Christians would have trouble answering the dinosaur and man question with a simple yes. For many, there would need to be some “hem and hawing” and for some, there would be a quick and maybe even emphatic denial.

The truth is, however there is overwhelming evidence that man and dinosaur did exist together. Ancient cultures left voluminous evidence in the form of art, and literature for example, that they interacted with creatures that we now call dinosaurs. That evidence is largely ignored, suppressed, hidden or misunderstood. However, everyone is aware that ancient cultures shared an experience with creatures they called “dragons” that it is clear, they regarded as real creatures.

These dragons were in virtually every respect; when taken together with pterosaurs, exactly like dinosaurs that science claims became extinct millions of years before man evolved. Why don’t evolutionists have to spend every waking moment trying to convince us that there is no connection between the dragons of antiquity with dinosaurs? Because despite the almost organic resistance society has to evolution, we have nevertheless accepted the notion that the universe is billions of years old.

Materialism and its associated religious doctrines are crumbling under the weight of true science however. It is evolutionists and materialists that should be feeling defensive about their beliefs. Francis Collins, who headed the successful human genome project is now a “believer” who was recently selected by President Obama to head the National Institute of Health said the following about DNA; (paraphrased) “if everyone on earth started reading a portion of the information contained in a single cell of DNA it would take 31 years to read it all”.

That is the amount of information in a single cell and each of us has trillions of such cells in our body. Who put this coded information in the cells of everything living? By the way, Atheists and liberals are opposing Collins because he believes God coded this information into the cells of living things.

As for the universe itself, it has become so clearly created for life that physicists are seriously proposing and Alice in Wonderland notion, known as string theory, that postulates an infinite number of invisible and undetectable universes and hypothesizes further that we just happen to live in the one tailored for life. Why not propose that the universe is carried upon the back of a giant tortoise—or has that already been suggested?

As for the big bang, up to 96% of the universe is described as being made up of “dark” matter and energy. They are like those invisible and undetectable universes of string theory and they must be assumed to exist or else the whole big bang theory would collapse. Those who believe and preach these science doctrines are the ones who are deriding Governor Palin and “fundamentalists” for believing what the Bible teaches.

As we shall see, there is evidence out there in the world beyond Sarah Palin’s back porch to suggest that she does read and that man and dinosaur did co-exist.

Dragons Liar

When paleontologist Mary Schweitzer claimed to have found collagen protein and connective tissue in the thigh bone of a t-rex in 2007 and in a fossilized duck-billed dinosaur in 2009 she received a lot of grief and resistance from the scientific community. This is because; no one could accept that protein could still be obtained from a creature that allegedly died more than 65 million years ago.

Imagine if you will, trying to run for public office only to have the media discover that you harbored such ridiculous beliefs. That would be really stup….Wait; one second….I’m being told that there are plenty of people out there willing to believe it. Let’s move on.

The sauropod dinosaur is iconic. It was the largest land creature ever and has a very long neck, a long tail and a somewhat bulky quadruped body in the middle. Because it is iconic, it can be represented in detail or with a few simple lines. It is easy to recognize.

If man and dinosaur co-existed, it should be somewhere represented in the arts of man. They would have been too big to ignore. As a matter of fact, a total absence of its description or depiction would be a serious problem for creationists. As it turns out however, that problem doesn’t exist.

Just as the internet disposed of the notion that Egyptians looked like Charleston Heston or Edward G. Robinson (N.Y. accent: where’s your God nahowwww, Moses, huhhhhh?), it will give people a chance to see and to investigate for themselves some of the evidence of man and dinosaur co-existence scattered about in museums and art galleries around the world.

The idea that such evidence doesn’t exist because man and dinosaur never saw each other is frankly, a lie. All evidence to the contrary is suppressed, labeled as hoaxes, as fakes or simply ignored. The question is, how and why did ancient man conceive of mythological creatures almost exactly like dinosaurs…large, reptilian quadrupeds. When it comes to sauropods specifically, how to explain long necked, long tailed quadrupeds of the iconic sauropod shape among cultures that supposedly missed the creatures by 45 million years or so?

What if there are features of ancient, iconic sauropod depictions which have only recently been discovered by modern science? How will science explain that? I’m guessing something invisible and undetectable ;0).

The Remainder of this Article is Here in the Free E-Book; Tracking the Sauropod Dinosaur Through the Art of Ancient Peoples, Part 2–This Time its About the Science

Tracking the Sauropod Dinosaur Through the Art of Ancient Peoples, Part 1

Tracking the Ancient Griffin, Modern Monsters and the “Extinct” Pterosaur Through Art, History and Science

EBook-Let Tracking the Sauropod Dinosaur Through the Art of Ancient Peoples

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jul 20 2009

If what science tells us about man and dinosaur is correct, and they missed each other by millions of years, how and why did ancient man create images of the easily recognizable sauropod dinosaur, (among others,) often complete with the correct sauropod anatomical features and body shape, the correct skull/head shape and even a correct depiction of sauropod skin – which has only recently been discovered?

An ancient Chinese sauropod depiction features a long necked sauropod-like “dragon” eating a flower. Sauropods were vegetarians, but how did the ancients know?

A recent find, a Turkish ewer has a spout that is the spitting image of a brachiosaurs. Putting our little sauropod collection together in this little booklet, we believe helps us see how prevalent these depictions were in ancient art.

Click Here to Read This Free Online E-book-let

Prior Book; Tracking the Ancient Griffin, Modern Monsters and the “Extinct” Pterosaur Through Art, History and Science, Can Be Found Here

Four Out of Five Skeptics Agree; This Artifact is Not a Pre Columbian T-Rex; Who to Believe, Science or Your Own Lying Eyes?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Apr 25 2009

As for the sceptics out there, many of them wouldn”t admit that there was evidence that man and dinosaur co-existed even if one of those dinosaurs bit them in the ………

Here at s8int.com, we’ve put up over 80 pages in our Dinosaurs in Literature, History and Art Section to prove that quite clearly, dinosaurs and man interacted in what we call ancient history. The photo of yet another appears below. Still the sceptics (or skeptics) insist that there has been no such demonstration. Did dinosaurs and man miss each other by millions of years or were they contemporaries as the Bible claims, all made during the first week of creation?

Our assumption; if the Bible is true, then one should find proof in the form of ancient literature and in ancient art. If dinosaurs were seen by man, (even if they weren’t called dinosaurs) they certainly would have made an impression in their time. As it turns out, all such evidence has been ignored, handled, belittled, debunked or mythologized a process that continues to this day.

Those who know that the Bible is right and that the Bible is true will simply keep piling up the evidence. It’s not our job or role to make someone believe. As the Bible says;


“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. “….Romans 1

The La Paz Archeological Museum Tyrannosaurus Rex

Right. A figurine in the Collection of the National Archaeological Museum, La Paz, Bolivia. This obscure figure is part of the Museum’s collection of Bronze Inca figures, mummies and a monolith are among the artifacts from the Tiwanaku and Inca cultures housed in this museum. These artifacts are pre-Colombian (prior to 1492) and are from cultures spanning the period 300 B.C. to that time.

Tiwanaku (Tiahuanaco) is thought to be one of the oldest cities in the world and the Andes mountain area near Tiwanaku has been the source of many artifacts depicting dinosaurs.

The T-Rex; The Official Story

“Tyrannosaurus, meaning ‘tyrant lizard’) is a genus of theropod dinosaur. The famous species Tyrannosaurus rex (‘rex’ meaning ‘king’ in Latin), commonly abbreviated to T. rex, is a fixture in popular culture around the world. It lived throughout what is now western North America, with a much wider range than other tyrannosaurids.

Fossils of T. rex are found in a variety of rock formations dating to the last three million years of the Cretaceous Period, approximately 68 to 65 million years ago; it was among the last non-avian dinosaurs to exist prior to the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event.

Photo:A pair of Andean dinosaurs from the Museum of Archeology, LA PAZ (Tiwanaku (724-1200 A.D.)

Like other tyrannosaurids, Tyrannosaurus was a bipedal carnivore with a massive skull balanced by a long, heavy tail. Relative to the large and powerful hindlimbs, Tyrannosaurus forelimbs were small, though unusually powerful for their size, and bore two clawed digits”..Wikipedia

Although a tail is not visible, the skull; wide at the rear but narrow at the snout; the unmistakeable deep eye sockets; the thick neck and shoulders (shoulder shape); the small hands compared to the legs; the fact that this depicts a bi-pedal reptile–these all make the identification of this artifact as a stylized representation of a theropod dinosaur (like t-rex), certain.

Clearly, these dinosaurs lived and were seen by the artist who cast this figurine.

Photo: Another pair of Andean mountain area pre-columbian theropod representations.These ancient depictions are shown in comparsion to modern depictions of certain theropod dinosaurs. Click here to Review our prior article about these artifacts

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Living “Pre-Historic” Creatures Reported in Papua New Guinea; Monckton’s “Gazeka” Positively Identified, Theropod Dinosaur Verified– by Native Art?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Mar 14 2009

by Chris Parker, Copyright 2009 s8int.com

Photo:Similar to Modern Sighting

Papua New Guinea is a huge Island north of Australia, the home itself of some fairly unusual fauna. Brian Irwin is an Australian who recently visited Papua New Guinea where he met a number of residents of small islands of West New Britain, who had recently seen huge creatures which, if accurate must describe living dinosaurs. These sightings have been occurring since the early 1990’s.

Irwin detailed these new eyewitness accounts in a story he wrote about them entitled “Theropod and sauropod dinosaurs sighted in Papua New Guinea?”

More about these recent sightings shortly, however first we wanted to recount the story of the huge creature which was seen and described by scientists on Papua New Guinea back approximately 100 years ago.

According to an article in the Steven’s Point Wisconsin Gazette of August 31, 1910, “one of the most remarkable scientific discoveries ever made” was reported from the “wilds” of New Guinea. According to the article, a “prehistoric monster” much larger than an elephant had been discovered and encountered not by common folks like me and you, but by “scientists”.

In addition, to the “giant monster”,the scientists had come across a “marvelous race of pigmies” who averaged just over four feet in height.

According to the article; “the expedition was sent out by a committee appointed by the British Ornithologist’s union to explore the great Snow mountains in Dutch New Guinea, and consists of several famous scientists, headed by Walter Goodfellow, the naturalist.”

“According to the official reports, the Gazeka is of gigantic size and fearsome aspect. It is black and white striped, has the nose of a tapir and “a face like the devil.”

Among the English inhabitants of the island, the animal is known as Monckton’s Gazeka, in honor of Mr. C. A. W. Monckton, a former explorer In New Guinea, who first reported its presence in the mountains.

Mr. Monckton, during his ascent of Mount Albert Edward, in the west of British New Guinea, discovered the huge footprints and other indications of the very recent presence of some tremendous monster that had evidently been prowling on the grassy plains surrounding the lakes on the summit at an elevation of about 12,500 feet.

He followed the trail all day, and came upon the monster at dusk, just as it was devastating a settlement of the pigmies.

The little natives were screaming and running for their lives, although they turned every now and again to aim their poisoned arrows at the brute.

Monckton let fire as soon as he was able to get in a proper position, and the huge Gazeka at once turned upon him. As it reared upon its hind legs and pawed the air it looked to the hunter as big as a house, standing fully 25 feet high.

Two of Monckton’s bullets seemed to take effect, as a stream of blood flowed freely from the animal’s shoulder, but before Monckton was able to reload the animal turned and fled. By that time it was too dark to follow him, and Monckton never had another opportunity to renew his pursuit

In the Remainder of this article, we provide larger photos, positively identify “Monckton’s gazeka” and bolster witness accounts of a dinosaur sighting with native art-Click Here or Photo at the top of this post, above

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Meanwhile, While We’re About it, More Dinosaur/Human Interacting in France?

Dinosaurs in Literature, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 16 2008


Source: Dave Woetzel; Genesispark.com

Taking the opportunity available we now move to another part of France and a different time. This perhaps has little to do with the monuments of Ancient Finistere, but it does have to do with evidence that man and dinosaur interacted with each other in the near and distant past.

In any case, this additional information is also provided for your consideration for free and as the wags say, worth every penny.

“Some of the beautiful French chateaus built at the close of the Middle Ages and early 1500’s have dramatic dragon illustrations carved into their walls, ceilings, and furniture.

These include Château de Chambord, Château de Blois, and Château Azay-le-Rideau. Note the similarities in the dinosaurian-like dragons and their resemblance to the dinosaur Plateosaurus.

The Château Azay-le-Rideau also displays a fascinating tapestry depicting what looks like a pterosaur fighting a lion.

A tapestry at Château de Blois portrays a dragon (and its baby) with gnarly horns on its head that are reminiscent of the dinosaur Dracorex hogwartsia (not shown)”….Genesis Park

All sauropods have long necks, long tails, and massive legs supported by blunt feet with five toes. They ranged in size form approximately 40 to 150 feet. The depiction shown here is a completely modern rendering of a sauropod created centuries ago.

What is the likelihood that ancient artists of the Middle Ages, could sculpt or draw a dinosaur (called a dragon) which is certainly superior to those drawn by scientists in the 1800’s and even the 1900’s as to detail and accuracy? This is the mystery we face when contemplating the dragons which adorned these walls and ceilings.

Photo: “Dragon with modern sauropod, Apotosaurus.

Here we compare certain modern representations of sauropod dinosaurs with a representative “dragon” created 300 or more years before the term dinosaur was coined. In France, fossils of the sauropods; Plateosaurus and Ampelosaurus have been found (along with Hypselosaurus) and are shown for comparison purposes.

A pterosaur was a reptilian, dragon-like creature of many types, but which shared certain features in common, such as batlike wings, two longer legs and two shorter, under and attached to the wings. Some of the long tailed variety had tails with a tail vane on the end. How curious that many of the dragons and basilisks of the ancients sometimes also shared these same features. Is this all just coincidence or did some of these “ancients” actually see dinosaurs and pterosaurs?

About the French Châteaux of the Middle Ages

Photo: “1500′s Dragon with modern sauropods; Plateosaurus and Ampelosaurus .

Loire Valley, known as “the Garden of France”, was the favorite residence of Kings of France during the Renaissance period. They made this peaceful countryside the setting for their dreams. Thus was born the Renaissance in France .The kings surrounded themselves with the greatest artists and architects of this era.

This is the “country of thousand castles” : not only Royal Castles and Renaissance Palaces ,National Museum and Large magnificent Châteaux , but also : Manors ,Middle Age‘s Castles and Fortresses , small “Fairy tales” Manors ,mansions , Private Castles ,Châteaux Hotels ,”Self Catering” Castles , luxurious old houses , medieval cities, towers ,bastions ,fortified farms and churches ,abbeys ,cathedrals…

Photo: “1500′s Dragon (pterosaur) vs lion.

It is worth driving at random in Loire Valley , Touraine , Sologne ,Poitou,Berry and discover castles, castles ,castles …more castles.

Azay le Rideau :The Azay le Rideau Castle ,one of the purest creation of the Renaissance, was built on an island of the Indre River ,ideal setting for an architectural jewel.

Château de Chambord :” Chambord is truly royal ,royal in its great scale, its grand air, its indifference to common consideration ” (Henry James) .It combined the dream of King François I with the imagination of Leonardo de Vinci. The result is a real “mathematisation” of architecture ,a grandiose creation :440 rooms ,a fabulous double staircase ,a unique roof terrace

Blois superb Renaissance castle with its thousand windows and magnificent staircase ,The medieval city of Chinon ,the feudal fortress of Langeais, Montreuil-Bellay , Angers , Luynes , Chateau de Brissac ,the “Giant of Loire Valley” , the Fontevrault Abbey… Source:http://www.a-castle-for-rent.com/castles/

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