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In Search of the Death Valley Cave System: Giants in Those Days? On The Ground in Death Valley- An Expedition to the Panamint Scorpions

Church of Darwin, Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Feb 17 2011

Photo:Jef and team on the ground in Death Valley in search of the ancient cave system.

Several years ago, we reprinted an article originally printed in the San Diego Union on August 4, 1947 entitled;” Ancient Civilization Beneath Death Valley? EXPEDITION REPORTS NINE-FOOT SKELETONS.

This was a rather prominent article of the time concerning the alleged discovery of an ancient cave complex located in Death Valley which contained remnants of an ancient civilization and nine foot giants. The story eventually disappeared from the papers but we were able to find some possible collaborative evidence in the form of a mention of the discovery in a government archeologist’s papers.

In recounting the discovery, one of the principals; Hill claimed: “These giants,” said Hill, “are clothed in garments consisting of a medium length jacket and trouser extending slightly below the knees. The texture of the material is said to resemble gray dyed sheepskin, but obviously it was taken from an animal unknown today.”

S8int.com also included a number of other articles concerning the same cave system including descriptions of the area. With the advent of Google Maps and satellite photos of the area, those interested in the story have tried to find the location of the cave system. We’ve since had a number of updates about these aerial, virtual searches. Since our original article s8int.com has added nothing to the story but has only served to print comments and additional stories by others interested in the Death Valley Caves, if they exist.


The “Scorpions”: January 14, 2009 at 18:11 Google Earth:
36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W

The search has recently focused on an area known as the scorpions, near Panamint Springs in Death Valley. There is a belief by some that the aerial maps of the area have been “airbrushed”. Scott S. who has supplied some updated material is a guy who has spent some of his vacations searching for the caves for up to a week at a time. He says he only lives 1,000 miles away. Disneyland is closer, I’m sure.

Recently, Jef Anderson, another adventurer and some of his compatriots took the possible coordinates of the cave system and set out for Death Valley. Here is an account of their journey.

Panamint Mountain Scorpions
Who says there’s no Intelligent Design?

Dateline: 2/14/11 – by Jef Anderson
All Photos and Text Copyright Jef Anderson, 2011

Right:Yahoo maps
36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W

Below, Left: Bing Maps
36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W
As near as I can tell… these images started appearing on all three major satellite mapping websites at approximately the same time – On January 14, 2009 Wouter W. of The Hague, Netherlands found this Google Earth image (the first image), which has since been removed from the Google sites, but can still be found by inputting the Long/Lat coordinates into the other map services.

It’s an extremely curious image, seemingly a massive geoglyph of a pair of Scorpions (or maybe Lobsters) positioned in the heart of the Panamint Mountains, in Death Valley California, and only visible from satellites or high flying aircraft, which would make the size on par with the Nazca geoglyphs.

On February 12, 2011 a group of 7 men set out to reach those GPS coordinates. The demographics of our group was comprised mainly of Educators, a few of them being former History teachers, all with Master’s degrees. Most of the members are experienced High Sierra outdoorsmen, having conquered several 14k peaks, with years of experience heading into extreme conditions.

This experience led us to choose February as the time to attempt this trek. We had great weather, temperatures ranging from 32º to 78º. Sudden thunder storms are really the only danger at this time of year, but we had blue skies and little to no wind. This window of temperate weather only occurs a few weeks every year before the legendary heat returns.

We decided to seize the opportunity.

Armed only with satellite maps and handheld GPS units, we set out from Salt Creek. There are no trails or paths heading toward the Scorpions, so we struck out across the one of the most inhospitable deserts in the America’s. The trackless journey took us across many types of terrain, rolling sand dunes, suddenly deep ravines, rocks ranging from gravel to boulders, and the ground covers with all manner of small cactus and nettled brush. The trek toward the coordinates was a steady climb of about 15º beginning under 200 feet below sea level.

Our base camp was Furnace Creek campground and we tented it, finding the National Parks service campground a nice one (although dealing with the Rangers is always a pain, and 12 Sax was not exception).

At about 6:45am and just before the sun shone down into the Panamint Valley we drove north up Hwy 190 toward the Salt Creek Trail parking lot, arriving around 7:10am. After quickly donning our daypacks, we set the compass and struck out at a heading of 220º. Our first waypoint was Trellis Canyon, though the way was obscured by a sharp, rising ridgeline bordering the salt creek.

The map below shows our starting point at Salt Creek, Trellis Canyon, and finally the Scorpions.

What follows is the log of the expedition.

07:15: Salt Creek Interpretive Trail Parking lot: 36 º 35’ 26.8N, 116 º 59’ 24.3W
- Sunrise, approx. 50º temp
- We climbed a small, steep ridgeline due West, then followed rolling desert
- Heading: 220 º
- Elevation: -200 ft.

07:45: 36 º 34’ 45.7N, 116 º 59 49.3W
- approx 55 º temp
- Now we encountered steep broken ravines cut into the rising desert floor, we were forced to pick our way down into the ravines, often traveling along them for a time before climbing out again, trying to maintain our bearing. Will’s foot issues force him to turn back – very bummed.

- Heading 200 º
- Elevation: – 200 ft.

08:15: 36 º 34’ 22.9N, 117 00’ 6.9W
- Approx 60 º temp

- We are now through the ravines and face a slope rising North by Northwest. It consists of softball to bowling ball size rocks, making the footing difficult. They’re too big to get flat footing and too small to “boulder” across, very annoying. In the distance we see two possible canyons that may be Trellis, so we split the difference between the two, heading toward the center.

- Heading: 200 º
- Elevation: -150 ft.

08:45: 36 º 33’ 43.9N, 117 00’ 46.8W
- Approx 60 º
- Still on the long climbing slope of rocks, we pass power lines and talk about what a miserable job installing those must have been
- Heading 220 º
- Elevation: -50 ft.

09:15: 36 º 33’ 17.3N, 117 01’ 33.4W
- Approx 60 º
- The angle of the slope has significantly increased, though the rocks become smaller, with many places very gravelly. We begin to think that the Northern canyon is indeed Trellis, so adjust out bearing and head that way.
- Heading: 240 º
- Elevation: +283

09:45: 36 º 33’ 7.7N, 117 02’ 34.0W
- Approx 65 º

- The bugs appear. These are little gnats, virtually invisible and SUPER annoying. What could they possible live on when they can’t get humans? We’ve seen no wildlife or water. We take a break in the shade of first set of uprising rocks that will eventually form the canyons, but the gnats are everywhere and we don’t stay long.

- Heading 310 º
- Elevation: +938

10:15: 36 º 32’ 53.8N, 117 03’ 20.0W
- Approx 65 º

- We enter Trellis Canyon. We’ve been shooting for 36 32 55.1N, 117 03 19.11W coordinates and pretty much navigated to the spot, once we decided the Northern canyon was our mark. The bugs are still present but as long as we keep moving they don’t bother too badly. The mouth of the canyon is about 200 yards across with several large rock formations that are evident in the satellite maps.
- Heading: 190 º
- Elevation: +1212 ft.

10:45: 36 º 32’ 13.2N, 117 03’ 35.2W
- Approx 65 º
- We kept working our way back into the ever narrowing canyon. The walls squeeze in, emphasizing the height of the canyon. The outer canyon walls much reach 3000 to 4000 feet up, with the ones we can touch easily over a 1000 feet. At one place in the “Narrows” I can touch both sides of the walls at the same time and yet the canyon towers about 2000 feet straight up – It’s an awesome place, and by the gps coordinates we know we’re getting close to the Scorpions.

All along this part of the canyon, we can see “hanging valleys” open up above us in the rocks. All of them are at least 50 to 100 feet up from the riverbed that we’re walking on. The evidence of water erosion is significant, and it’s easy to see how this canyon was formed, being cut so sharply by the flash floods that race down the narrow canyon. One of these hanging valleys is easy to spot when we climbed a rock wall across from it.

There is now a shear rock wall that must be climbed in order to really see into the valley, but from our view it’s clearly evident that it has a lot of square acreage. It’s now absolutely inaccessible without a 3 or 4 rated climb of over 100 feet. And it’s not alone, we see several places were areas open up, but they’re all very high up in the canyon walls, some 1000 to 3000 feet up. We didn’t plan on climbing, knowing that we wouldn’t have the time. But climbing there is the only way to really explore the mysteries of the place. We believe the coolest stuff is now high up in the canyon walls, and can only be reached by climbing.

- Heading: 190 º
- Elevation: +1524 ft.

11:36: 36 º 31’ 23.67N, 117 03’ 54.90W
- Approx 65 º
- THE SCORPIONS, we reach the coordinates a little after 11:30am.

The narrow sliver of sky we see is still bright blue, with golden sunlight reflecting hard off the towering canyon walls. We however are covered in dark shadow. It’s evident that some places within the canyon never get sunlight because the extremely high walls. I’m not just spouting poetic imagery… this is the point –
The Scorpions are created by shadow. There are so many twisting, turning corners to the canyon that it’s easy to see how the Scorpions are formed.

I’ve been so mystified by the darkness of the Scorpions, when every other shadow on the satellite images are a lot softer. But now, standing in these impressively high and narrow canyons, the darkness of the images is obvious. The contrast of the light and darkness is extreme and the blackness of the shadow in such close proximity to that of the brightly lit rocks, no doubt creates the deep blackness of the satellite photo images.


We’ve found no caves or caverns at ground level, but as I’ve stated, we’ve seen the potential for both high up in many places along the canyon. We also haven’t seen any geoglyphs or any evidence that humans have ever been in this place. BUT, it’s also very obvious that the canyon get scoured by flood waters and has (relatively) quickly sunk down many dozens if not hundreds of feet since the time people may have lived here.

If people did once inhabit this place, the evidence for them wouldn’t be down at the current ground level, but up much higher in the canyon walls and in the suspended/hanging valleys that would have been much closer to ground level long ago.
- Elevation: +2169 ft.

This picture (top article photo) was taken at precisely 36 31 23.67 N, 117 03 54.90 W – the coordinates given by all three satellite map services, showing the Scorpions


The fact that the Scorpions exist in the satellite images is, in my mind, evidence of the awesome creativity that God shows in his creation. No one can deny there are images on the satellite photos, images that are created by shadow and light, yet clearly form recognizable, symmetrical shapes; shapes that don’t happen randomly in nature. It seems this place is marked specially for some reason and though evidence wasn’t observable at ground level, who can guess what kinds of things may be found higher up in the canyon walls.

We’ll be going back, with climbing gear ;)

Prior Articles on this Topic

Ancient Civilizations, Giants, Tunnels Beneath Southern California?
Update on:Ancient Civilizations, Giants, Tunnels Beneath Southern California? Tuesday, December 23rd, 2008

More on Death Valley Cave Complex–Giants Etc. Thursday, January 1st, 2009

Updating the Update of the Death Valley Giants Cave Complex-with Coordinates Monday, January 12th, 2009

Death Valley Giants Cave Complex Satellite Photo Blurred Out? Wednesday, April 28th, 2010

New Update on the Death Valley Cave Complex-Quest for Death Valley Giants and the Cover Up? Scott S. June 16 2010

New Update on the Death Valley Cave Complex Scott S. June 17 2010

Giant Humans, Dinosaurs and Ancient Civilizations of Spain

Dinosaurs in Literature, Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 06 2009

by Jorge Gasco de El Oráculo de Occidente Source: And Spanish Version of this Article Here

I want to thank my friend Jorge Gasco of El Oraculo de Occidente,for sending me the link to and for giving me permission to publish a version of his article concerning the topics listed in the title. While we here at s8int.com are largely chair bound, Jorge and his friends made like Indiana Jones and conducted some exciting archaeological work on their own.

This story as the title suggests combines a little bit of giant humans along with dinosaurs and mysterious ancient civilizations. It’s mostly told in photographs.

On a number of occasions I’ve been asked about giant humans vis a vis evolution and the Bible. I’ve said that evolution really doesn’t deal with giant “modern” humans but occassionally someone will offer that evolutionists do accept for instance Gigantopithecus (known by giant teeth, some say human, some think great ape)–which we also cover on this site.

Gigantopithecus aside evolution does not adequately explain why sometime in the past, humans, dogs, cats, cows, horses and dinsosaurs were of gigantic size. Certainly not if uniformism is also assumed with respect to the history of the earth.

But Jorge’s article puts the question to the fore once again; when could men have left a shoeprint–in granite (or at least in rock) corresponding to a man of a height of 13 feet!? If they were bare footprints, one could argue that they were from a great ape, though none of them should have been around when this rock was formed–or one could have argued that they were smudged dinosaur prints.

But they are shoeprints, of gigantic size, mixed in with the prints of three-toed dinosaurs. Did 13 foot men live millions of years ago–possibly more than a billion years ago? These findings only make sense if some or all of the following are true; 1)granite takes much less time to form than science says it does–in thousands of years not millions; dinosaurs and men lived at the same time; that there were giants in those days–before the flood–only a few thousand years ago….s8int.com

Giant Humans, Dinosaurs and Ancient Civilizations of Spain
by Jorge de El Oráculo de Occidente–All Photographs Copyright El Oráculo de Occidente, 2009
Translation by Chris Parker Using AltaVista Babelfish; Systran and 6 Years of High School Spanish

Some years ago, in 2004 to be exact, I went for the first time to visit a well-known place within the Valencian archaeological tourist circuit. It is the route of an aqueduct through almost 30 kilometers which meanders through various localities: Tuejar, Chelva, Streets, Domeño and Losa of the Bishop, all in the region of the Highlands, in the Province of Valencia.

It is made up of aqueducts (typically high arched), drains, and galleries cut into the rock of the mountains. Traditionally its construction is attributed to the Romans, but there are no actual facts or evidence to substantiate such claims.

The ancient texts mentions only that the construction pre-dates 1797, –that from the pen of insigne Antonio Josef Cabanilles, in his work “Observations on Natural History, Geography, Agriculture, Population and Fruits of the Kingdom of Valencia”.

After studying and writing on the subject I knew that there were previous references than Cabanilles’ about seeing everything pertaining to the region of the Highlands, province of Valencia.

Photo:The Remains of the Aqueduct

I’m not saying that the attribution of the construction of the works there to the Romans has no foundation in truth, just that there is nothing in the ancient texts to substantiate the claim.

One ancient source assumes the construction took place in the first century, a time of Roman domination but this attribution is also devoid of any actual evidence to support it, and thus it is mere speculation which follows the political line.

In the political line, it serves only to give all credit to the Romans, holding any notion that a prior civilization, higher in technology was responsible to be non-credible. It is as if in forgetting what we once were, we get rid once and for all of that cultural infection, tyrannical and alien of which the present system is built upon that frightens us.

The remaining story is told in the Captions to the photos:
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Recent, Similar Topic: Human Footprint Overlaid by Dinosaur Print Authenticated; Video

Discovery of Vast Prehistoric Works Built by Giants? The Geoglyphs of Teohuanaco

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 20 2008

You’ve probably already gotten on to this one, and I missed it.

Just in case . . . David Flynn, of officialdisclosure.com, announced the discovery of an extensive series of geoglyphs surrounding the Lake Titicaca region last February. These are similar to the Nazca lines but more extensive. They are very old and many are built into the bedrock, under the flood sediments.

This is incredible stuff! Whole hills were carved into various configurations. David has two special reports: (an initial news item…it gives an e-mail address and phone number for interviews) and a more extensive report with many pics…SEE LINKS BELOW

This is really dynamite stuff; estimated age: 13,000-15,000 b.p. I’m not sure if Flynn is a Christian and creationist. He keeps talking about the difficulty of constructing Tiwanaku and the geoglyphs at extreme altitude.

The best theory I’ve seen (Cataclysm! by Allan and Delair, and many others) is that the Flood event fractured the crust and re-arranged the continents. Even Darwin speculated that the whole southwest end of South America was lifted up hundreds or thousands of feet. Tiwanaku was originally a seaport!–Dan Moore

By David E. Flynn
© 2008 RaidersNewsNetwork

The size and scope of David Flynn’s Teohuanaco discovery simply surpasses comprehension. Mammoth traces of intelligence carved in stone and covering hundreds of square miles. For those who understand what they are seeing here for the first time, this could indeed be the strongest evidence ever found of prehistoric engineering by those who were known and feared throughout the ancient world as gods.
~ Thomas Horn

This satellite image (above) is a portion of the Andean foothills surrounding Lake Titicaca in Bolivia, South America. It is a small sample of a vast network of patterns that surround the lake and extend for more than one hundred miles south into the Bolivian desert.

The patterns display geometric repetition and intelligent design. There are interlocking rectangular cells and mounds, perfectly straight lines and tree like arrays that are uncharacteristic with natural erosion. These cover every topographical feature of the high plateau surrounding the lake, over flood plains, hills, cliffs and mountains.

Although these geoglyphs are remarkable in their obvious strangeness, what is more astounding is that they have remained in obscurity until now. In the same way modern archeologists recently found the ruins of hidden Mayan temples in the Guatemalan jungle by using earth orbiting satellites, we have discovered what could be one of the greatest finds of our time.

Directly South of Lake Titicaca the foothills are embossed with mound and rope arrangements of earth and rock. These form a contiguous ‘geomantic’ and ‘circuit like’ network visible only from the air.

The combined mass of the walls on these mountains below easily rivals Hadrian’s 73 mile long wall in England.

The Balance of these articles can be found here at these links:
officialdisclosure.com/giants.htm
officialdisclosure.com/discovery.htm

See Also:Lake Titicaca and the City of Tihuanacu: Mystery wrapped in an Enigma

Ancient Civilizations in Brittany, France Interacted with “Dinosaurs” and Left the Monuments to Prove It

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Oct 23 2008

by Anthony James
Copyright s8int.com 2008

Here at s8int.com, we’re always curious to see which stories garner the most interest. Often times, the stories we think are going to shock the world, do not and others which we think might be of limited interest are the ones that literally thousands of people read. Above Photo: Lesneven; The Coast of Legends.

Here’s another one that we think is going to “shock the world”, so let’s see if anyone else agrees. How will monuments like “The Monster”, “The Camel” or the Arc de Triomphe effect the dinosaur and human interaction argument?

There’s a certain area in France where apparently a whole lot was going on in the distant past with respect to ancient, unknown civilizations, all under the nose of and virtually invisible to conventional archaeology.

At Fontainebleau, France, an ancient unknown civilization left unmistakable traces of its existence in the form of monuments; twisted and surreal megalithic sculptures and stone heads similar in size to those of the Olmecs. Controversially, they also left samples of an unknown writing system.

Approximately 4 hours away by automobile is Lussac-les-Châteaux, where in 1937, Leon Pericard and Stephane Lewoff uncovered a number of engraved stones dating from the Magdalenian period (it is believed) which drastically altered the accepted picture of how “cave men” or primitive peoples looked and dressed. The flat stones held portraits that showed men and women in casual poses, wearing robes, boots, belts, coats and hats. Clearly this find is still controversial.

Equidistant from Fontainebleau and from Lussac-les-Châteaux, approximately 3 ½ hours by car is Glozel, France, where in 1921 a great number of stone tablets were found in a cave engraved with writing, some of it apparently Phoenician, along with pictures of “extinct animals”. The problem was, the writing on the tablets was much too early for the paradigm to accept. Recent scientific tests have borne out their age.

Roughly equidistant from Glozel and Fontainebleau, about 6 hours away is Locmariaquer, France, the location of some of the largest menhirs and dolmens in the world.

Brittany, is an area six hours from Fontainebleau along the Rue de Cote des Legendes is an area known for its ancient Celtic and Pagan worship and for dolmens, stones, standing stones, menhirs, megalithic constructions, strange granite rock formations in twisted forms made by nature and other recognizable forms carved by men.

It is here, among these ancient monuments that we find conclusive, spectacular evidence that either the ancient Pagans or an even earlier civilizations interacted with dinosaurs. This evidence is in the form of megalithic rocks weighing tens and hundreds of tons, perhaps thousands of years old.

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