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The Case For Hadrosaurine (duck-billed, crested) Dinosaurs in Ancient America

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Aug 25 2010

In the last several years we’ve reviewed a number of ancient American artifacts that strongly indicate dinosaur human interaction in ancient North and South America. Individual artifacts can be labeled; “mythological”, given alternate identifications or even have their authenticity attacked-but the weight of a number of such out of place artifacts adds up to at least the possibilty that these represent dinosaurs.

Just as sauropod dinosaurs would be very recognizable in art because of their bulky bodies and long necks, certain hadrosaurs would be recognizable due to their duck like “beaks” and their head crests. For example, the corythosaurus and the lambeosaurs are two very common American dinosaur fossil groups with distinctive, readily identifiable headcrests. Science is unsure about the utility of the crests.

The National Park Service describes them this way: “Hadrosaurs (Greek for “bulky lizard”) are also known as the “duck-billed dinosaurs” because of their long flattened snouts. They first appeared during the Cretaceous period, near the end of the Age of Dinosaurs. Hadrosaurs were very common dinosaurs and fossils have been found throughout North America, Europe, and Asia.

Based on their teeth, paleontologists believe that hadrosaurs were herbivores. Their teeth were mostly small and leaf-shaped, but there were plenty of them. Some hadrosaurs had almost 900 teeth! The hadrosaurs ranged in size from about 10 feet long (the size of a small car) to 40 feet long (the size of a school bus). They weighed up to 3 ½ tons, about as much as two cars!

The hadrosaurs’ feet had three toes, covered in a hoof-like material. Hadrosaurs could walk (or run if a Tyrannosaurus rex was near!) on their large muscular hind legs, but may have occasionally used all four legs while grazing for food. Their long thick tails helped them balance while running.”

Prior hadrosaurine dinosaurs in North America presentations from s8int.com.

The depictions we’re discussing below today unfortunately are not drawn in a way that provides a context for their size i.e., are they dinosaur sized? However, a prior article entitled Did Ancient Americans Ride the Parasaurolophus Dinosaur?-Or Did They Just Exaggerate the Size of Their Sheep? reviews ancient artifacts that provide both a size context (they’re huge) and hadrosaurine features.

(Click photo to go to article)

“On the left, an ancient” painting of a type of crested duck-billed dinosaur (where we are also provided with a size context) whose bones have been found in New Mexico (and other places).

Photo from “Clues to the Past”, by the Archaeological Society of New Mexico:#16, 1990, edited by Duran and Kirkpatrick.

The painting is attributed to the Pueblo 4 culture-AD 1300 to AD 1500.

“The duck-billed dinosaurs Parasaurolophus and Kritosaurus and the horned dinosaur Pentaceratops were the most common dinosaurs living in northwestern New Mexico during the Late Cretaceous.”New Mexico State Museum–Dinosaurs of New Mexico. Compare the painting with this drawing of lambeosaurus.

“See also Authenticated Poinsett County Arkansas Corythosaurus/Hypacrosaurus from 400 to 700 Years Ago?

Latest Dinosaur Human Dinosaur Interaction

In the book; “INFORMATION RESPECTING THE HISTORY, CONDITION AND PROSPECTS OF THE INDIAN TRIBES OF THE UNITED STATES….by Henry M. Schoolcraft L.L.D. Published in 1853, in Section VI entitled: INTELLECTUAL CHARACTER AND CAPACITY OF THE RED MAN”, an ironic title given its casual racism and evident lack of respect, are a number of puzzling artifacts attributed to the North American “Indians”.

We should note that the term “dinosaur” had only been coined 11 years prior to the publication of ‘Information”, in 1842 and that the lambeosaurus, a type of hadrosaur similar to the more well known corythosaurus, would not be discovered until 1900 with the first public description, really not until 1923.

A copy of a native American pictograph in the book presents several interesting creatures which might depict a creature similar to the lambeosaurus. While they are not perfectly conformed to the current, modern depiction of that dinosaur, we know of no other quadruped that sports that distinctive headcrest, has a long thick tail and the ability to walk on either two or four legs, all of which can be seen in the ancient depiction.

The author identifies the animals in question as martens, which have ears but no crests.;

“It (the panel, right to left) commences with the totem of the chief, called Oshcabawis, who headed the party, who is seen to be of the Ad-ji-jauh, or Crane clan. To the eye of the bird standing for this chief, the eyes of each of the other totemic animals are directed as denoted by lines, to symbolize union of views. The heart of each animal is also connected by lines with the heart of the Crane chief, to denote unity of feeling and purpose. If these symbols are successful, they denote that the whole forty-four persons both see and feel alike—That They Are One.

Photo:Ancient Panel “creature” in bi-pedal mode compared with modern conception of the lambeosaurus dinosaur.

No. 2, is a warrior, called Wai-mitrtig-oazh, of the totem of the Marten. The name signifies literally, He of the Wooden Vessel, which is the common designation of a Frenchman, and is supposed to have reference to the first appearance of a ship in the waters of the St. Lawrence.

No. 3. O-ge-ma-gee-zhig, is also a warrior of the Marten clan. The name means literally, Sky-Chief.

No. 4, represents a third warrior of the Marten clan. The name of Mulc-o-mis-ud^ ains, is a species of small land tortoise.

No. 5. O-mush-kose, or the Little Elk, of the Bear totem.

No. 6. Penaisee, or the Little Bird of the totem of the Ne-ban-a-lkiigr, or Manfish. This clan represents a myth of the Chippewas, who believe in the existence of a class of animals in the Upper Lakes, called Ne-ban-a-baig, partaking of the double natures of a man and a fish—a notion which, except as to the sex, has its analogies in the superstitions of the nations of western Europe, respecting a mer* maid.

No. 7. Naswa-j&wim, or the Strong Stream, is a warrior of the O-was-se-wugv or Catfish totem.

Beside the union of eye to eye, and heart to heart, above depicted, Osh-ca-ba-wisj as represented by his totem of the Crane, has a line drawn from his eye forward, to denote the course of his journey, and another line drawn backward to the series of small rice lakes, No. 8, the grant of which constitutes the object of the journey.

The long parallel lines, No. 10, represent Lake Superior, and the small parallel lines, No. 9, a path leading from some central point on its southern shores to the villages and interior lakes, No. 8, at which place the Indians propose, if this plan be sanctioned, to commence cultivation and the arts of civilized life. The entire object is thus symbolized in a manner which is very clear to the tribes, and to all who have studied the simple elements of this mode of communicating ideas.” …Henry M. Schoolcraft L.L.D

In Conclusion

Did hadrosaurines inhabit North America in the recent past? We believe that they did. The fossils that we see are from the larger animals that lived prior to the great flood. In more recent times dinosaurs like other animals were smaller than they were in the past. Just as we don’t have fossils from the great buffalo herds of comparatively recent times showing their interaction with Native Americans or Mound builders, we don’t have much fossil evidence of dinosaurs who lived in the most recent past. Most of the fossils we have in the world were created during the time after the great flood of Noah.

Mystery of the First Century B.C. Roman Situla of an “American Indian”

s8int.com, Sophistication of Ancestors, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Aug 20 2010


Photo: ROMAN (?) SITULA IN BRONZE REPRESENTING HUMAN HEAD, BELIEVED TO BE OF A NORTH AMERICAN INDIAN. Lu Louvre, 1830. Click for Higher Resolution.

“Bronze head (Louvre).—A curious and unique piece of bronze sculpture (Plate 53) (top left) having a possible relation to the North American Indian, belongs to the Gallery of the Louvre, Paris.

But little is known of its history. It formed part of the collection of Edmund Durand, which the King, Charles X, purchased for the Louvre in 1825. Its peculiarities were first noticed by M. Adrien de Longperier. The same article was reproduced in his work. This bronze is classed as No. 826, in the catalogue of the Museum. It is thus described:

Bust of a slave whose head and face are entirely shaved. The ears are large and hanging. The top of the skull opens by means of a hinge, which is attached to a cover. Above the ears are placed on either side rings in which are adjusted a swinging handle, which represents a branch or twig with buds.

It is first to be remarked that the object is what was called a Roman situla, being a bucket, jug, or kettle, which might be used as shown, for carrying liquids. This style of object is essentially Roman, and from it and the general appearance of the object, its patina, etc., it was the opinion of M. de Cueleneer, professor of the university at Ghent, by whom my attention was first called to it, that the object belonged, or could be assigned to the century before the Christian era.

The author once lived in Ghent, where he was acquainted with M. de Cueleneer, who has been twice in Washington, and during his visit to the National Museum became much interested in the Catlin Gallery of Indian Portraits, of which the United States National Museum published a catalogue filling the entire report of the year 1885. The author procured a copy of this report for M. de Cueleneer, who has used it with good effect in his notice of the bronze situla now under consideration.

It was his opinion, although this bronze piece was made probably in Italy during the first century prior to the Christian era, that it represented, or may have represented, a red Indian from America. In support of this contention he presented about a dozen figures of Indian heads, taken principally from the National Museum Catalogue of the Catlin Gallery; and he called special attention to the similarity of the anatomical and somatologic characteristics and peculiarities represented in both.

He says of the bronze head that the skull is dolichocephalic, the forehead is retreating, the ears are large and low and the lobes adherent, the eyebrows are strongly arched, the nose is aquiline, the angles of the mouth are turned up and the lips large, the under jaw is rounded, the occiput is protuberant.

The discovery of this bronze afforded M. de Longperier in a partial, and M. de Cueleneer in a complete manner, the opportunity to correlate and explain certain fragments of notes by Cornehus Nepos which seemed to have always troubled and disconcerted commentators. He speaks of the “Indian slaves” as having been cast away by the sea on the coast of Germany. These fragmentary notes of Cornelins Xepos have been preserved by Pomponius Mela and by Pliny, the naturalist.

1 Hull, de la Soc. imp. deR Antiti. de France, 1859, pp. 83-85 (t. XXVI des Memoires).
2 Volume II, pp. 452, 453.

^Notice des bronzes antiques exposes dans les galeries de Musce Imperial du Louvre, lri partie, 1S68, p. 143.
Testnm autem rei, Quintum Metellam Celerem adieit, enmqno ita rettnlisse commemorat: cum Gallia- proconsule pracessit, Indos i|iiosdinn a rege Botorum dona sibi datos; mule in eas terras deveuissont requirendo cognosse, vi tompestatum ex Indicia a-qnoribu* abreptoa, emensosque qua: intererant, tandem in Germaniai litora exissc.

Pliny records the same fact as follows:2
Idem Nepoe do septentrionali circuitu tradit Qninto Metello C’eleri L. Afraui in consulatn collega’, Bed turn Gallia; proeonsuli, Indos a rege Snevornm dono datos, qm ex India commerei causa navigautes tcmpestatibus essent in Germanium abrepti.

The reports of these two writers agree in all essential parts, except the word Rotorum in Pomponins Mela, and Snevornm in Pliny. Subject to this variation, the story of both, as reported by Cornelius Nepos, is that a king (of the Botes or of the Sueves) made a present to Qnintins Metellus Celeri of an Indian or Indians, who, having been cast away at sea, were stranded on the coast of Germany.

M. de Cueleneer, in his paper, “Type d’lndien du Nouveau Monde Hepresente sur un Bronze Antique du Louvre” (1890), goes profoundly into this branch of the subject, shows who Metellus was, where, and at what epoch he was in command, and how he might have received from one of the barbarian kings or tribes a present of slaves, which might have been Indian castaways from the coast of North America.

He then recites the discovery of the bronze situla in the Louvre, and by an examination of its workmanship and appearance concludes it was made in Italy during the first century before the Christian era, and from its great resemblance to the red race of America, as represented in the Catlin Gallery, he concludes the chances are favorable for it having been a sculptural representation of a North American Indian.”…….

Source: Prehistoric art; or, The origin of Art as Manifested in the Works of Prehistoric Man.. 1898
By Thomas Wilson, Edwin Porter Upham

On the Hunt for Caddy (Cadborosaurus); 15 Filmed Up Close?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Aug 16 2010

Photo: Top; Cadborosaurus specimen from 1937. Second; ancient Roman depiction. Third; the MoundBuilders of Ancient America knew of Caddy as well. Bottom; modern drawing of Caddy by David John.

By Natalie North – Victoria News
August 02, 2010

He’s been a media star since the ’30s, lighting up newspaper headlines and television interviews.

And there’s no telling when he’ll pop up.

You could be washing your dishes and gazing out the front window or walking your dog on the beach.

The mythical sea serpent namesake of Cadboro Bay only shows his head when he’s ready and on his own terms.

The few locals who track Cadborosaurus, and who are determined to prove it exists, won’t rest until hard photographic evidence is secured. Evidence that could be on the verge of being revealed.

Jason Walton, cryptozoologist and head of the current search for recognition and classification of the legendary creature, says video footage of the creature is set to air next month on the Discovery Channel.

“There’s a guy up in Alaska who filmed about 15 (Cadborosauruses) swimming across an Alaskan Bay,” Walton said, adding that the video was shot from a boat and is close-up to the subjects.

Should Caddy show up back home, Walton hopes to capture his own film, thanks to 24-hour digital video surveillance across sighting-rich waters of Telegraph Bay.

I didn’t know what to think about the whole thing at first, but when you speak to a witness who’s so adamant about the Cadborosaurus – what they see and what they describe is so unlike anything else that’s swimming off of Vancouver Island.”

The accounts have included what appear to be loops (presumably the body) coming out of the water or heads and necks.

Sometimes it’s a single, two-and-a-half-metre-long head and neck and sometimes there are several heads, as reported by ferry captains, Walton said.

In 1991, one woman claimed she met Caddy on the steps to the beach as she walked her dog.

In 1937 a 3.2-metre carcass of a reptilian-looking animal with a camel-like head was reported found in the stomach of a sperm whale in Naden Harbour. The remains, Walton said, were shipped to Bellevue Wash. for display as proof of a baby sea serpent, and later lost. Hundreds of sightings of believed-serpents off local waters have been recorded, yet no concrete proof of Caddy’s existence has ever been documented.

“People are totally open-minded nowadays,” Walton said. “I think they find it fascinating, but there is a certain tilt of the eyebrow, shall we say. Scientists will start laughing outright. Most people are uninformed.”

Before the days of Walton’s tracking efforts, which includes a “Caddy Scan” website, he was critical of the mythology too, believing the legend was “totally unreal” until he spoke with his first witness. But Walton’s not interested in converting skeptics.

“We’re not out to change people’s minds or opinions. All we’re out to do is provide a service for people who have seen the Cadborosaurus and try to accumulate new information.”

Walton asks anyone who thinks they may have seen Caddy to report the sighting at 250-721-3836 or caddyscan@shaw.ca.

nnorth@saanichnews.com


Note: A group of Lions is called a “pride” of lions. A group of Caddy’s is called a “dealership” :0)

CryptoMundo Follow-up; Creatures Real

The New Nessie? Mystery ‘Sea Creature’ Spotted Off British Coast

Crypto, Science, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Aug 02 2010

Photo:Mystery: The ‘sea serpent’ was spotted stalking a shoal of fish just yards off the Saltern Cove in Paignton, Devon. The fish were apparently so scared that they beached themselves. Click photo for higher resolution..

By Daily Mail Reporter

Cynics may dismiss it as just a piece of driftwood or a trick of the light. But a photograph showing what appears to be a long-necked sea creature has got marine experts scratching their heads.

The ‘animal’ was snapped stalking a shoal of fish just 30 yards off the British coast.

The fish were apparently so terrified they beached themselves just seconds later.

The creature was spotted off the Devon coast at Saltern Cove, Paignton, by locals who reported a sighting of what they thought was a turtle.

But pictures taken by one of the baffled witnesses, Gill Pearce, reveal the neck of the greenish-brown beast with the reptile-like head is far too long for it to be a turtle.

Mrs Pearce, who took the photo on July 27, reported her sighting to the Marine Conservation Society (MCS) where it was studied by sea life experts.

Claire Fischer from the MCS said: ‘Gill Pearce spotted the creature about 20 metres from the bay at Saltern Cove, near Goodrington.

‘It was observed at about 15.30 on 27 July but by the time she had got her camera it had moved further out.

Photo: The ‘sea serpent’. Click photo for higher resolution.

She spotted it following a shoal of fish which beached themselves in Saltern Cove.

‘The creature remained in the sea, then went out again and followed the shoal – this indicates it’s not a turtle as they only eat jellyfish.

‘We would love to know if other people have seen anything like this in the same area and can help clear up the mystery.’

Some people think the sea sighting could be linked to that of a sperm whale sighted off south Devon recently but Miss Fischer dismissed that explanation.

‘They [sperm whales] wouldn’t come that close inshore and the reptilian-like head counts that out – at least that’s what the experts are saying.’

The sighting has caused a stir on the MCS website too, where theories range from sea serpent to salt water crocodile.

An MCS spokesman said: ‘It was reported as a turtle as it had large front flippers and small back flippers and what appeared to be a shell but was also said to have a small head on a thin neck about two-feet long which craned above the surface like a Plesiosaur.

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