Archive for June, 2010

The Monster of Salt Lake; Huge Flying Reptile Was Seen Carrying A Horse In It’s Jaws–Half Bird, Half Reptile; All Pterosaur?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 27 2010

Photo:A Black and white version of this drawing appeared with the article. Click to see higher resolution

An article carried widely was published in the Salt Lake City, County and reprinted in the; Denver News and the Logansport Pharos, Indiana, on Sept 22, 1903, the Pittsburgh Press, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, September 3, 1903 (among others) gave an eyewitness account of a gigantic, “prehistoric monster” on Stansbury Island that could only have been a long-tailed, pterosaur.

The story mentions that there had been a number of “current” eyewitnesses of the “terrible creature” but that the account by Martin Gilbert and John Barry, two hunters who recently returned from an expedition was the most complete in cataloging the creature’s movements.

This account is fantastic in the various meanings of the word and no doubt most would simply believe it to be untrue and impossible. The art that appeared with the story (shown here) which was not often reproduced with the text in the various papers that picked up the story, clearly portrays a pterosaur. Science says that these creatures became extinct millions of years ago and that is proof enough for most that there is no truth to this account.

On the other hand, there have been hundreds if not thousands of sightings of similar (mostly smaller) creatures like this in the last 20 or 30 years. For example, this eyewitness accounts suggests a creature in the same size range as the 1903 sighting:

In December, 1997 my husband and I both sighted a huge creature flying over a densely populated area, while we were out walking one night in Perth, Western Australia on the coastline around 10:30 pm. . . .”

“ . . it had a ruddy reddish brown leathery skin; (we could see its underneath as it flew over us at about 300 ft up; the glow from all the ground lighting made that possible), it had a long tail and a wingspan that we estimated at between 30-50 feet across. Complete Story

Prior Sightings:

It should be mentioned that there had been prior sightings of this or other monsters at Stansbury Island (or Great Salt Lake) prior to this account; in the 1840’s a “Brother Bainbridge” reported seeing a “dolphin-like” body of large size in the Lake near Antelope Island and in 1877 J.H. McNeil and several other employees of the Barnes and Co. Slat Works Co. reported being chased by a huge creature with a crocodile-like body and the head like a horse’s which emitted a fearsome bellowing noise. Skeptics suggest that the 1877 sighting was a buffalo….Wikipedia

The local Native American’s had an oral tradition about a monster that inhabited the Great Salt Lake area called the Great Mosquito Monster or the Giant Mosquito Monster. This winged creature with a long beak (like a mosquito?) was a terror and was reportedly responsible for the disappearance and destruction of many braves. It’s not difficult to understand how a creature like a large pterosaur could inspire the name or the description; “The Great Mosquito Monster”.

In the sighting referenced by this article, in 1903, some information is provided that could shed some light on pterosaur behavior as well as some explanation as to why this creature is seen both in the air and in the water. The 1903 eyewitnesses claimed that the creature was at home in the sky and in the water. This could account for sightings on land and in the lake itself. The sightings are collectively called the North Shore Monster.

Aquatic Pterosaurs?
It is interesting to note that upon the initial discovery of pterosaur fossils, they were thought to be aquatic:
“The first pterosaur fossil was described by the Italian naturalist Cosimo Collini in 1784. Collini misinterpreted his specimen as a seagoing creature that used its long front limbs as paddles. A few scientists continued to support the aquatic interpretation even until 1830, when the German zoologist Johann Georg Wagler suggested that Pterodactylus used its wings as flippers..”…Wikipedia

Maybe they weren’t so far off after all. In 1922, a New York Times article reported that a fifty foot marine creature eventually took flight after sinking a boat in the Mediterranean after the crew pelted it with pomegranates. Reportedly the creature had been seen circling the Dog Island in the sea of Marmora for several days as well as hassling ships and boats in the area. Who makes up details like that?….s8int.com

The Monster of Salt Lake
Huge Flying Reptile Was Seen Carrying A Horse In It’s Jaws
Half Bird, Half Reptile.

“A terrible, nameless, unclassified creature of the animal world is exciting the curiosity, wonder and fear of occasional visitors to Stansbury island, in the Southern portion of Great Salt lake.

This monster, for it can be called nothing else, has lately, it is said, been seen by several persons, but the best account of its characteristics and movements is given by Martin Gilbert and John Barry, two hunters who recently returned from an expedition over the island, in the course of which they studied the habits of this hitherto unheard of creature for three days.

The monster, which appears to be almost equally at home in the air, on the beach or submerged in the briny waters of Salt lake, is probably the sole survivor of a prehistoric species. It is doubtless the last representative of a family whose other members, dead ages since, have left the testimony of their existence in the primeval rocks of the mountains.

Arranging in concise form the description of this incredible relic of the animal world from the accounts given
by those who have observed it at a close range, it seems in plain, unscientific language a combination of fish, alligator and bat.”

One of the eyewitnesses put the size of the creature while the other, who closely studied the tracks it left in the sand of the beach thought it closer to 65 feet in length.

Photo:Comparison of monster drawing on decription of eyewitnesses with current artist conceptions of certain long tailed pterosaurs. Click for higher resolution

The head was described as being like that of an alligator and it was thought that its jaws could open as wide as ten feet and that they were filled with saw-edged teeth. The body was described as being encased in “horny scales” and its eyes like so many modern “pterosaur” sightings as fiercely glowing.

The 1903 article continues:

“As to this Gilbert and Barry are not positive, (scales) as the constant diving of the beast, if such it may be called, into the strong brine of the lake has incrusted it with a thick coating of salt, which, save near the wings, completely hides the body.

It is due to this unusual phenomenon that the hunters obtained their first sight of the monster. According to
their account, they first sighted it at a distance of between one and a half and two miles. The day was clear, the sun intensely hot. Gilbert’s own words of the discovery are:

“We were walking westward from the east shore of the island about 9 o’clock in the morning when suddenly to the northwest there appeared a thing. I don’t know what to call it.

It looked to me like a brilliant rainbow folded into a compact mass, moving rapidly through the air. “In three, or four minutes the monster’s position was such that it no longer reflected the sunlight directly toward us, and wo could then discern the outline of the form.

Its wings were batlike stretching out over a great expanse, I should say at least 100 feet from tip to tip.

The tail was proportionately short and resembled that of a huge fish. We were not close enough at this time to tell much about the head, only we saw that the jaws were very long. In shape the head was like that of a crocodile.

“We watched it disappear in the gathering gloom of the night, but were for a long time paralyzed with fear, not knowing when it might return. It was probably an hour later when it did come back.

We heard the swish of the mighty wings before it could be seen, but as it drew nearer by the light of the young moon in the west we saw that it carried in its great jaws a large horse, which, I suppose, it had swooped down upon while feeding. The horse was badly crushed and mangled.”

At that point the article continues that they listened to the crunching of bone that could be heard in the cave for the better part of an hour, after it quited down they waited for a while and then stole back to their camp on the other side of the island. It must be assumed that the balance of their observations over what wa described as three days took place at some distance on the other side of Stansbury Island.

Pelican Fossil Poses Evolutionary Riddle; ,
Why, They Haven’t Evolved, Not Even a Little

Amusing?, Church of Darwin, s8int.com, Science, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 25 2010


Pelican fossil poses another evolutionary riddle;
Why, they haven’t evolved, not even a little!
Just like spiders and octopi, lamprey’s and bees
Why did this “evolutionary process” seemingly freeze?

The fossil record shows fig wasps and crocodiles unchanged
How could such an “inexorable process” become so deranged?
Neither ants, bats or cockroaches have changed an iota
Of “beneficial mutations” did Darwin fail to gets its quota?

Scientist’s were “surprised” to find mammal hair “unevolved”?
How will macroevolution’s evolving, non-evolving problem be solved?
Will these constant discoveries give the “tree of life” a jostle?
Or will Darwinist’s have to call everything alive “living fossils”?

The “extinct” coelacanth; the ancestor of land animals was crowned
But it’s another evolution riddle ‘cause its still swimming around!
The “trade secret” of evolution revealed by a Darwinist apostle
But they still go on “snipe hunts” for transitional fossils!

Pelican fossil poses evolutionary puzzle, by Jeff Hecht, June 2010
NewScientist

Pelicans that closely resembled those living today were scooping fish from the water while our ancestors were still swinging from the trees, a fossil discovery suggests.

The identification of an extremely well preserved 30-million-year old fossilised beak raises interesting questions over why evolution has left the birds so little changed over such a long period.

The nearly complete beak of the 30-million-year old fossil, found in the Luberon area of south-eastern France, resembles those of the seven modern pelican species so closely that it falls within the genus Pelecanus, says Antoine Louchart of the University of Lyon, France.

Pelican beaks are the longest of any living birds. Beneath the beak is a flexible pouch that allows the birds to capture their prey in the water, then spit out the water before swallowing their meal. Like other bird beaks, they are rarely preserved as fossils, so little had been known about their early evolution.

Family resemblance
Louchart recognised the fossil, discovered in the 1980s, while examining specimens in the collection of his co-author Nicolas Tourment. Protected by being buried in fine-grained limestone, it includes most beak bones, plus parts of the skull and neck, and strongly resembles the modern great white pelican, Pelecanus onocrotalus.

The lack of evolutionary change could suggest the beak has reached an evolutionary optimum for flight or for eating. Louchart is not convinced that either of these hypotheses offers a complete explanation; he thinks something else may be involved but does not know what that might be.

The find not only pushes back the origins of pelicans, but of related birds too. “The groups now thought to be closest to pelicans, the shoebill and hamerkop, must also have differentiated very early, says Louchart.

“The pelican bill has been a successful adaptation or trait, in that it has remained very similar over time,” says Rebecca Kimball of the University of Florida. Two years ago Kimball reported in Science (DOI: 10.1126/science.1157704) that pelicans were genetically close to near relatives, which she said would reflect their slow evolution.

The famous, genius, philosopher sneered,
In no more than one hundred years,
Intellects like mine will make the Bible disappear.
But alas; Au Contraire, Voltaire,
After you were dead and buried, Mon Frère,
They printed new Bibles at your own Demeure

Religious, s8int.com, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 24 2010

“The French philosopher Voltaire, a skeptic who destroyed the faith of many people, boasted that within 100 years of his death, the Bible would disappear from the face of the earth. Voltaire died in 1728, but the Bible lives on.

The irony of history is that 50 years after his death, the Geneva Bible Society moved into his former house and used his printing presses to print thousands of Bibles. ” LivingWaters.com

Voltaire actually died in 1778.

You know who uses the “just-so” story more than anyone? Yes, of course evolutionists. But you know who has to be in the top ten?

Preachers.

Unfortunately, a lot of preachers feel that they need to bolster their sermons with the perfect, inspirational, tragic, funny and or ironic story. The problem is that there are not enough of those stories to go around so unfortunately they sometimes make them up, or claim that something that happened to someone else actually happened to them. Sometimes they change the outcome of the story to better fit their sermons. (Of course, they should know better.)

Why do evolutionists and preachers and you and I do this? Because they/we are flawed human beings.

A version of the story about Voltaire’s house being used by the Geneva (or some other named) Bible Society after his death is repeated in various versions all over the internet. Mostly, its the same version over and over. Why? If true, its pretty ironic isn’t it?

The delicious irony and the triumph of God’s Word over evil is the reason that Christians are drawn to the story, the reason it has been so widely shared over Christian sites. On the other hand, the reason “rationalists” Atheists, evolutionists and etc. would like to disprove the story is because they recognize the irony of it and they would like to catch Christians telling one of those just-so stories at which evolutionists have excelled.

Their investigations (Snopes and elsewhere) center around the question 1)did he actually make the statements he’s being given credit for making against Christianity and the Bible and 2)whether or not Bibles were actually printed at his house and on his printing press.

What I would like to know is; is the story true or not? A lot of new books repeat the story as fact. Just how far back does this story go?

The results of our research:

The Freethinking Christians’ quarterly register, Volume 1 1823 pg 174
By Freethinking Christians

“Thus it was lately mentioned, at a public religious meeting, that the present possessor of the estate purchased by Gibbon,(English historian and scholar) in Switzerland, from the profits of his writings against religion, expends a large sum annually, in promulgating that gospel which his predecessor sought to undermine.

That the printing-press, at Ferney, which Voltaire employed to print his blasphemies, was now employed, at Geneva, in printing the holy scriptures; and that the room in which David Hume (The most important philosopher ever to write in English, some say), died, at Edinburgh, was used for the first provincial meeting of an Auxiliary Bible Society!”

The Gentleman’s Magazine, Volume 90, Part 2 1820

CUKIOSO says, he has lately been informed, that the house at Paris in which Voltaire formerly resided is shut up, and has not been opened since his death, pursuant to his Will, and that it was not to be opened until the year 1820. Our Correspondent then inquires if this is really the case ?

Missionary Register, Volume 24
By Church Missionary Society, 1836

Bible Notices in Switzerland and Italy.

I will say nothing about the 2000 miles which I travelled on the business of the Society in France; but will here make a confession, that I broke my tether, and proceeded into Italy. I thought I was entitled, after seven years’ service, to ask for a vacation of one month; and, having travelled about 60,000 miles to promote the object of the Society, I wanted to go and see that Metropolis where a part of the Inspired Volume was written; but where the Bible is now a proscribed book.

I went through Geneva, and was much refreshed by meeting the Committee of the Evangelical Society; with whose proceedings and objects I was so much gratified, that I wrote to this Society to make a liberal grant of 10,000 copies of the French Scriptures to promote the objects of that Society. Our Committee have only granted 5000 ; but I have no doubt they will, ere long, send the other 5000.

Before I left Geneva, my friend observed, ” Probably you will like to see the house where Voltaire lived, and where he wrote his plays.”

Prompted by the spirit of curiosity, so characteristic of an Englishman, to visit the house of this celebrated infidel, I was about to put on my hat to walk into the country; when he said, “It is not necessary you should put on your hat;” and he introduced me over the threshold of one room to another, and said,

” This is the room where Voltaire’s plays were acted, for the amusement of himself and his friends :” and what was my gratification in observing that that room had been converted into a sort of Repository for Bibles and Religious Tracts.

Oh! my Christian Friends, that the spirit of infidelity had been there, to witness the results of their vaticinations respecting the downfall of Christianity ! I know that Voltaire said, that he was living ” in the twilight of Christianity”; but, blessed be God! it was the twilight of the morning, which will bring on the day of universal illumination.

When at Lausanne, I went to see the house in which Gibbon wrote the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire; and I was told that therein dwelt one of the Committee and supporters of the Lausanne Bible Society.

The National Preacher, Volumes 5-6 1831 pgs 195-197

“A train of causes operating unseen for half a century, among which the blasphemies of Voltaire bore a prominent part, produced the greatest national convulsion of modern times. The throne and the altar, royalty, nobility, the whole fabric of political and religious institutions, fell with one mighty crash ; and the civilized world felt the concussion.

From all this wreck and ruin, we trust infinite wisdom designs that a new edifice of constitutional government shall arise, as well as a more pure Christianity. But what became of Voltaire, and his press, and his boastful prediction that one man was able to overthrow what twelve apostles had built up ?

That same press with which this champion of infidelity waged war against God and his truth, and threw a continent into commotion, is now employed in printing Bibles.

When we find in the history of the world so many proofs that the providence of God overrules the devices of men, controls human governments, and blesses or blasts their counsels, we see one strong ground of obligation to pray for our rulers.”

Lectures on the nature and dangerous tendency of modern infidelity …1837

Said Voltaire, “I am wearied of hearing it repeated, that twelve men were sufficient to establish Christianity, and I wish to prove that it needs but one to destroy it!” Yet his efforts for its destruction, characterized by hellish ingenuity, and prosecuted with infernal zeal, only tended to purify it and render it more beautiful and lovely— while he died in despair, without accomplishing the least part of his demoniac purpose, and over his very bones stands a church of Jesus Christ, where the gospel is preached every Sabbath day; and the same press which he used to print his infamous publications, is now used in printing the word of God.

The Berean – Page 49, 1826

“National Tract Socicty.—At the first general meeting of this Society, ” the Reverend Mr. Summerfield” spoke as follows:

” He would not dwell upon the importance and usefulness of tracts. Upon that point enough had been said. In speaking of the bright prospects of the Christian Church from the exertions of the present age, he triumphantly referred to that archinfidel, Hume, who predicted the downfall of Christianity in the 19th century.

…..He declared that he already saw tlie evidences of its downfall. It was not the twilight, however, but as it were the dawning light of Christianity which he saw—for with the commencement of the nineteenth century this British and Foreign Bible Society was brought forth.

Voltaire, too, with impotent rage, had assailed Christianity, and had audaciously asserted, that although it took twelve men to plant Christianity, his single arm should root it out
. In that day and country, it was customary to sneer at Christians. And among the French nobility, it was an old saying, ‘We’ll leave the poor to the clergy.’ He was thankful that they had been left with the clergy. The poor we have always with us.

Tom Paine—(I thank God that his bones have been rooted up, and no longer pollute the soil of our country)—Tom Paine boasted that he had cut down every tree in Paradise. He mentioned these circumstances to show how our religion has been assailed by infidels, and how speedily and gloriously their predictions had been falsified. It was a pleasing fact that Voltaire’s press—that very press that scattered his baneful Tracts, so that, like the frogs in Egypt, they were found in their houses, their kneading troughs, and their ovens—is now actively employed by the Paris Bible Society. ”

CONCLUSION

It would seem that Mr. Voltaire, a “Deist” did utter some predictions about the Word and about Christians that certainly proved to be untrue and to be unfulfilled. It’s possible that as to his printing press a single story from an unknown source has simply been repeated but at least one eyewitness claims to have seen stacks of bibles stored in his house. These accounts come from a period of less than fifty years after his death-a time when Voltaire was still well known–his writings well known and the location of his house by those who lived there-well known.

Could the “Mythological” Tarasque Have Been A Living Ankylosaurid Dinosaur?

Church of Darwin, Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 21 2010

Photo: Phot Blanchin, Tarascon circa 1900
Click for Hi Res Photo

How does science know when a creature it knows from the fossil record goes extinct? How do they calculate how long it has supposedly been extinct? Remember the coelacanth? According to science pre-1938, the coelacanth, a type of fish, had been extinct for nearly 70,000,000 years.

In other words, extinct for a longer period than the dinosaurs are said to have been extinct.

“Before coelacanths were caught, evolutionists incorrectly believed that the coelacanth had lungs, a large brain, and four bottom fins about to evolve into legs. Evolutionists reasoned that the coelacanth, or a similar fish, crawled out of a shallow sea and filled its lungs with air, becoming the first four-legged land animal. Millions of students have been incorrectly taught that this fish was the ancestor of all amphibians, reptiles, dinosaurs, birds, and mammals, including people”….creationscience.com

Then of course, someone caught one in 1938 and other specimens and populations of the fish have been found in various places, including in the Indian Ocean northwest of Madagascar.

It turns out that science was wrong about the extinction of and evolution of coelacanth by; infinity! :0)

So what about dinosaurs? Science claims that they have been extinct for more than 45 to 65 million years. How do they know that? (You don’t see any around, do you? ) And, even if all dinosaurs were in fact extinct, how could science know how long ago that occurred? Dinosaurs supposedly became extinct before man “evolved” (according to current evolutionary theories) so there should be no memory of dinosaur in man.

Yet, virtually every ancient culture has included “dragons” –very dinosaur like creatures, in their history and art. The particular type of dinosaur that we want to reference here are the Ankylosaurids; armored dinosaurs of various sizes and shapes but featuring body armor, scales and spikes.

Ankylosaurs

“Ankylosaurus was a huge armored dinosaur, measuring about 25-35 feet long, 6 feet wide and 4 feet tall; it weighed roughly 3-4 tons. It became extinct, according to evolutionists over 45 million years ago.” Dubiarestlessplanet.com

“An ankylosaurid is a member of the Ankylosauridae family of armored dinosaurs that evolved 125 million years ago (along with another family of ankylosaurs, the Nodosauridae) and became extinct 65 million years ago during the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event.

Ankylosaurids have been found in western North America, Europe and East Asia, though good specimens are rare; most are known only from bone fragments.

The heavy armour, forming a veritable shell on the backs of ankylosaurids and their clubbed tails, makes them look superficially similar to the mammalian glyptodonts (and to a lesser degree to the giant meiolaniid turtles of Australia).

Their heavily armoured heads formed a toothless beak at the front (comparable to modern birds), though the sides of the mouth and the lower jaw did bear small teeth, deeply inset from the jaw.” Wikipedia

The Tarasque

Photo: Comparison of Ankylosaurid dinosaurs and antique depictions of the Tarasque
Click for Hi Res Photo

The Tarasque has been adopted of late in a number of games; Dungeons and Dragons for one. The Tarasque of history/mythology was a dragon-like creature with a body carapace like a “turtle”, well armored, difficult to kill, very large, having spikes (cones) on its body and on its tail. It’s tail was said to to have also been armored and to have ended in a scorpion’s tail.

The anklyosaurid dinosaur if it had been seen alive, would closely match that description save for the scorpions’ tail. It’s tail would have ended in a club unless it was of the nodosaur variety which were also large but whose tail did not end with a club.

The “problem” is, however that everyone knows that this type of dinosaur became extinct 65 million years ago and thus this could not be a depiction of that type of creature. When discussing Tarasque it is the rule to emphasize the mythological aspects of its description rather than the physical descriptions that recall this dinosaur.

If such a dinosaur was actually seen is it any wonder that the description of it should be less than perfect, subject to exaggeration and speculation and that “mythological” details as to its origin and purpose might have followed?

Could science be wrong by “infinity” again? Faith based evolution believers do not even need to look at the evidence to decide.

Our Section on dinosaurs in History, Literature and Art is Here

New Update on the Death Valley Cave Complex-Quest for Death Valley Giants and the Cover Up?

Giants in Those Days, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 17 2010

Photo: “Giant”Skull at Humboldt Museum

By Scott S.

In 2007 I first started the quest for Death Valley giants.

At the time I hadn’t made the connection that the ancient underground city in death valley and the giant legends are actually not necessarily related. If you dig the only reference to giants in the underground city is of a giant gold statue and if you check Paiute, Shoshone, and Anasazi legends they actually talk about 2 peoples, 1) A giant race of giant cannibals, and 2) another race of “advanced private people living in a cave city high in the death valley mountains”.

But not knowing this yet … A disappointing 1st trip to death valley and a reality check of heat stroke, poor visibility, poor access, inadequate gear, and a clue I found in Death valley Scotty’s castle re-enforcing that he had actually found and “borrowed gold” from the underground city drove me to spend what time I had left tracking down the lost giants.

Using the David Hatcher Childress book on Lost Civilizations of North America guide I was determined to find the lost giants.

My first stop was to the Carson City museum where some artifacts including the giant sandal were supposed to be. As it turned out that wing of the museum was closed for reconstruction. After chatting with the security guard for a while he revealed the following;

“Sorry boys you aren’t never going to see them or anyone else for that matter the “Lovelock” artifacts have all been sent away for “Safe” storage and the only ones going back in the case are some replicas.”

While I never had the chance to go back and see what replicas were put on display I think it hardly matters. The next stop was to Lovelock itself to see the cave. Spending my youth crawling through lava caves, the Lovelock cave was not all that exciting, it was a crack in the cliff with about a 10 X 20 X 10 foot room, empty of course with a sign saying they found some reed duck decoys there with no mention of the giant skeletons.

Onward to the Lovelock Museum which was closed with a phone number on the door saying call to see when it would be open, no answer of course..

My last stop was the Winnemucca Museum. We got there just before closing and while they had an impressive wooly mammoth skeleton the Lovelock display was limited to a couple of stone grain grinders and reed necklaces.

Frustrated I approached the two curators at the museum and inquired about the skeletons. The younger lady tried to redirect my question but after some charming banter the elderly lady asked me if I would like to see the red headed giants? Boy would I ? She took me down into the basement and opened up a cabinet and in it were 3 heads/skulls. Two Indian skulls; one had been clay recreated to show the face when it was alive, and the other was just a skull, but the the 3rd skull was the Lovelock skull and it didn’t look like the Indian skull.

The younger curator tried to turn my attention to the Indian skull and the recreation etc but I didn’t pay her much attention; in a sick twist of fate my camera wouldn’t shoot because the battery was too low.. I know, I know, perfect excuse but I’m be going back this winter to try and trace down the Indian legend of the stone pyramid built by giants in New York Canyon that was destroyed in an earthquake.

I doubt I’ll find any nice rectangular pyramid stone more likely a pile of natural stones out of place but who knows?, and I’ll stop by the museum on my way and get pics of the lovelock skull, if somebody here doesn’t beat me to it know that you know where the last evidence is.

Anyway I honestly didn’t see the Lovelock skull as being “Giant”; it looked pretty close in size to the Indian skull but the elderly curator assured me they had a university professor measured it vs the Indian skull and determined it would be for a 9-10 foot tall man.. but what did strike me was the shape of the skull, it was wider and flatter and most obvious was the eye brow ridges where very pronounced like you would think of a caveman or Neanderthal .

What stuck me as odd was why they recreated the Indian skull and not the giant skull? I mean what’s more useful to science? Why these were hidden in the cabinet vs on display? And why did the younger curator try to get rid of me vs wanting to show it. I asked about what happened to the full bodies and the older curator said University of Berkeley had came and taken all the giant skeletons away for study decades ago and this was all that had survived that grab.

So University of Berkeley has been sitting on giant skeletons for 90 years and has yet to file a paper? Why?

Being excited about my find I called someone I knew who had just finished her archeological degree to which I received “oh that…yeah I know, we are told not to look into this, its pretty well communicated if you research into giants or other races they will end your career immediately, we are told to say its all 1800’s media fraud regardless of the evidence, in fact they think they have found a living tribe of Neanderthals in northernmost Canada, but I don’t know anymore about it, its pretty controversial, again if you ask questions you’ll be working at McDonalds tomorrow”.

So what to make of it? Cover up? Fear to rewrite history book? Who knows anyway Ill get a pic of the skull this winter if it hasn’t been snatched up , and for those of you that want to see it yourself you know where it is, hopefully the elderly curator hasn’t retired yet, and hopefully you can charm you way into the employees only basement…..Scot S.

New Update on the Death Valley Cave Complex

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Sophistication of Ancestors, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 16 2010

Photo: Death Valley Cave Complex Search. by Scott S.
Click for Hi Res Photo

Several years ago we reprinted an August 4, 1947 article from the San Diego Union entitled; “Trace of Giants Found in the Desert, Ancient Civilization Beneath Death Valley? EXPEDITION REPORTS NINE-FOOT SKELETONS”

That was followed by a number of updates sent in by individuals interested in the cave complex, and or its possible location. Those posts are listed here:

Last Update

Prior Update

Prior Update

First Update

This latest update is from Scott S. The photos are from him as well:

From Scott S.

“I found this on google earth last year. In pic marked scorpions, while I couldn’t find a pic of the coordinates opps I thought I saved it, a person should still be able to find it via this pic and current google earth, because the giant wash adjacent to it didn’t go anywhere with the goolge earth changes. I’m providing this to be published for any adventurous soul who wants to track it down and check it out.

Just as a heads up I live about 1000 miles away from Death Valley and for the past 3 years, once a year I go there on vacation and I spend a week down there climbing those mountains looking for the underground city.

Photo: Death Valley Cave Complex Search. by Scott S.
Click for Hi Res Photo

While I haven’t been to the scorpions in person yet, I honestly don’t think its located there. I have my own list of most likely places including some caves found at the right elevation facing the furnace creek ranch that I hope to get to this winter if I can figure out how to get to em, as for the scorpions, if you look on google earth and land on em, the scorpions just don’t have visibility out of the wash into furnace creek and if you spend enoung time looking the air brushing is quite common on the cliffs in google earth, I think its more a mirror and fill in the holes of angle the satellite couldn’t capture- vs a government coverup, part of Death Valley is already a navy base, if they knew of anything to hide, just like the 1000′s of petroglyps in china lake a stroke of the pen and emminent domain would keep the the underground city a secret forever vs just airbrushing and just letting people go up there.

I have been over a fair section of tucki mountain, blackwater and tucki wash… unfortunately after 3 years of using it and on the ground intelligence ,I’m honestly telling you google earth is limited that place looks completetly different in person, you can’t even see cliffs from furnace creek with a telescope the heat waves distort your vison.

I’ve found several caves on foot” not the underground city though” that are simply not visible in any way on google earth or from standing at furnace creek with a high powered telescope; you have to be there climbing on those cliffs and 500 ft or less and just stumble on them.

That being said there are the scorpions and a way to find them back after google earth’s air brushing.

Good luck to you fellow adventurers, but as a heads up Death Valley is no joke, weather can kill you in the winter, spring, fall and summer only ~ 2 months are relativey friendly, cell phones don’t work if you get into trouble, you are 1/2 a days hike out to the nearest road if you are un injured, coyotes are in my camp every night, the place is littered with rattlesnakes, sidewiders, black widows and scorpions and last winter I stood face to face with a mountain lion…and me without my gun…. one wrong step on those cliffs to slip off and they wont find your body.. why do I go back?

I’ve pulled 100 year old, newspaper articles, geological fault maps, indian legends as far east of Arizona…none of them does anything but CONFIRM this… its there my friends.. see pic attached of last year (top, left) “I could see furnace creek directly below and the wash behind it” at 4000-4500 ft elevation.. if I can see what they saw I’m getting close and Ill be going back every winter until I find it..

I’ll be happy to share some of my learnings if I can figure out how to post to s8int..”

Follow-up
Scot S. June 16, 2010
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The Song Remains the Same; Fossil X Remains Unchanged

Church of Darwin, Science, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 16 2010

Science had discovered that a certain type of wasp -the fig wasp-which was discovered in amber considered to be millions of years old, are virtually identical to those same wasps living today.

In yesterday’s Post, science was surprised that mammal hair had remained unchanged (unevolved) for “over 100 million years”.

In “Oh What a Tangled Web We Weave, When at First We Practice to Deceive”–science was surprised that “165 miilion year old spiders were unchanged (unevolved).

In March 2009, our post was about the discovery of a “95 million year old” octopi in which yes, science was surprised it hadn’t changed (evolved).

In “Scientists Find Lamprey A ‘Living Fossil’: 360 Million-year-old Fish Hasn’t Evolved Much”, –read that to mean that they hadn’t changed at all (evolved) and that yes, science was surprised.

“The Coelacanth allegedly dates back 400 million years. Other organisms unchanged after supposedly millions of years of evolution include:

Alligators and Crocodiles – The crocodile family is thought to have lived 230 million years ago and remains virtually unchanged since that time. Army Ants supposedly date back 100 million years to the time of the dinosaur.

The cockroach dates back 350 million years according to evolutionists. The Crinoid or Sea Lilly has been found in sedminents dating back 150 million years and yet the modern living variety is virtually identical.

The dragonfly dates back 230 million years, according to evolution and geology but is unchanged in almost every detail. The horseshoe crab – Believed to have lived 300 million years ago, but remain almost identical today. The nautilus – believed to have lived 500 million years ago, but remains almost completely unchanged”…New World Creation

A trend seems to be developing….s8intcom

Ancient Fossils Show Fig Wasps Remain Unchanged

Research found that the wasp fossils contained similarities to modern wasps A study of three ancient fossils found on the Isle of Wight in the 1920s has revealed that evolution has not altered the fig wasp in 34 million years.

The specimens, housed at London’s Natural History Museum, were previously thought to be of ants but a new examination confirmed their origins.

Dr Steve Compton, of the University of Leeds, said the fig wasp fossils were “fascinating” because of their age.

He also highlighted their similarity to the modern species.

‘Complex relationship’

Dr Compton, who led the study, explained: “This means that the complex relationship that exists today between the fig wasps and their host trees developed more than 34 million years ago and has remained unchanged since then.”

Fig wasps attach themselves to an individual tree and spread its pollen Fig wasps attach themselves to an individual tree and spread its pollen.

Each tree is exclusively pollinated by just one or two species of wasp.

Modern fig wasps carry the pollen they collect in special pockets beneath their bodies.

Dr Compton’s team was able to identify pollen pockets on the wasp fossils, and even grains of fig pollen within them.

Article Source-BBC News

Prehistoric Mammal Hair Found in Cretaceous Amber

Church of Darwin, s8int.com, Science, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 15 2010

Mammalian hairs have been found in “Cretaceous Period” Amber at the Font-de-Benon quarry at Archingeay-Les Nouillers in Charente-Maritime, France. (You know the place, right?)

The Cretaceous period supposedly spanned a period 145.5 to to 65.5 million years ago. If you have accepted Darwinism and its enabling geological time scale, you would be surprised by what they found. If however you are a believer you will be able to accurately recite what they found without having to read the article.

Scientists were surprised, astonished, confused by the fact that the mammal hair was unchanged unevolved over more than 100,000,000 years since God created them.

As we’ve previously noted, Science has An Evolving, Non-Evolving Problem–Link… s8int.com

Prehistoric Mammal Hair Found in Cretaceous Amber

“Palaeontologists have discovered two mammal hairs encased in 100 million-year-old amber.

While older 2D fossilised hairs are known, those preserved in the amber are the oldest 3D specimens known.

The hairs, found alongside a fly pupa in amber uncovered in southwest France, are remarkably similar to hair found on modern mammals.

That implies that the shape and structure of mammal hair has remained unchanged over a vast period of time.

“We have 2D hair imprints as early as the Middle Jurassic,” says Dr Romain Vullo of the University of Rennes, France, who discovered the hair.

The Jurassic Period lasted from 200 to 145 millions of years ago, followed by the Cretaceous Period which lasted to 65 million years ago.

“However, carbonised hair provides much less information about the structure than a 3D hair preserved in amber,” says Dr Vullo.

“Our specimens are the oldest known hair specimens in which we can observe the cuticular structure.”

Dr Vullo and Professor Didier Neraudeau identified the hairs, which were initially found by colleague Dr Vincent Girard in amber he was examining for microorganisms.

Details are published in the journal Naturwissenschaften.

The piece of amber, which is fossilised tree resin, was found in the Font-de-Benon quarry at Archingeay-Les Nouillers in Charente-Maritime, southwest France.”

Source: BBC Earth News

Giant Men? Evidence; Amen! Giant Tracks? Science Attacks! 12 Feet Tall? Darwinists; Not at All! Historical Evidence That There Were Giants in Those Days-As Alleged by Scientists of the Recent Past

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, The Flood of Noah, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 10 2010


By Chris Parker Copyright 2010

Photo:Drawing of a well authenticated mummy found near San Diego in 1895. In life he was estimated by anthropologist to have exceeded nine feet in height. Story covered later in this article.

Without a doubt the consistently most popular articles on s8int.com are the articles featuring human giants as the subject matter. Why is that? On the surface, whether or not human giants existed is not central to the creation evolution debate. The Bible does tell us that “there were giants in the earth in those days, and afterwards” but why the keen interest in the topic? On the whole human giants are barely mentioned in scripture.

Evolutionists as a rule are very insistent that human giants were only mythological. One might wonder why they bother to heap so much scorn on the notion of giant humans. I believe that there are several reasons why they insist that most if not all of the hundreds of historical reports concerning human giants and giant skeletons were the result of the ignorance of our forebears who couldn’t distinguish between human and mastodon bones and who were given to all kinds of myths and superstitions.

The major reason in my opinion is that evolution does not account for 12 foot human giants especially in strata where according to the evolutionary timeline, “modern” men of even average height should not have been found—much less men of extraordinary height. Dinosaurs and other mega fauna existed in periods that evolutionists claim were well before “modern” man evolved. Another reason is that the Bible claims that there were giants in those days and they would simply delight in proving the Bible wrong.

Ancient human bones in millions of years old strata (according to geological theory) present a problem for evolutionists to solve or explain but “giant” human remains in “millions of years old” strata present an unsolvable dilemma and an untenable situation. Such artifacts are never considered by science and are disposed of as quietly as possible; either by tacitly agreeing never to discuss it or by labeling the item a fake.


Photo:The giant femur on the left of the photo is a model created by Joe Taylor of the Mount Bianco Museum based on a description of a find in Turkey during construction in the 1950′s. The photo on the right is a mystery.

No one seems to know exactly who is pictured or when the photo was taken though it is speculated that this is one of the 1950 giant femurs. The scourge of hoaxed giant skeleton photographs currently on the internet has the effect of making a serious review of the historical data on giants much more difficult.

Skeptics of ancient human giants have used the Cardiff giant, an apparent hoaxed, petrified giant discovered in the late 1800’s, as well as the fact that a number of alleged giant bones turned out to be the bones of the elephant, the mastodon or some other ancient animal to discredit all historical accounts of giant human skeletons, tracks or bones.

They would have you believe that even medical professionals of those times were similarly deceived. As to giant apparently human footprints and tracks found in sandstone and granite around the world, science insists that many if not most of them were hand carved individually by the ancients for some mysterious religious or cultural reasons.

It’s a wonder that the Piltdown Man Hoax, and mistakes like “Nebraska Man”, a proposed human ancestor who turned out to be an extinct pig, or in fact all those putative human ancestors down through the years which are now known to be apes would have made evolutionists reconsider the notion of human ancestors.

Were even those men of scientific learning too ignorant to distinquish between the bones of a mastodon and those of a human being, giant or otherwise? As far as I know scientists up to today say that the human body does not petrify. On the other hand, many men of science in bygone days have claimed to have found petrified human remains (not giant) in strata that Darwinists in the future would claim was impossible. Here is a description of petrified human remains as thoroughly described in Gentleman’s Magazine, Volume 62, 1787. Note the sophistication…..

“See also Scheuzer’s account of part of a human skeleton petrified, Phil. Trans. XXXIV. 38. Saddam’s Abridgement, VIII. 98. Scheuzer had only two petrified vertebrae of the back, of a shining black colour; but afterwards received, enclosed in an Oeningen flaky stone, many parts of a human head, as the circumference of the skull, the os frontis, ossa sincipitis el occipilis, orbit of the eye, pieces of the basis of the medulla oblongata, the interior prominence of the os occipitis that divides the lobes of the cerebellum, the 7 vertabra of the neck, partly bare and partly covered with a petrified crust; and this is the orthographical section, as it were, of the hinder part of the head.

He afterwards procured, from the same stone quarry, a larger and more curious piece, including the skeleton of an adult, supposed 58 1/2 Paris inches high, the periphery of the os frontis, the os jugale, the orbits of the eyes, the tables of the skull, together with the diploe, the vestiges of the infraorbital foramen for the passage of the nerves of the 5th pair, part* of the brain itself, or the dura mater, the ossa cribrosa and spongiosa, the os vomeris. that divides the nose, a portion of the fourth maxillary bone commuting the cheeks, part of the nose, a portion of the masseter, an orthographical section passing through the apophyses condyloides of the lower jaw as far as the angle of the said jaw, 16 continued vertebra, most of them having the transverse processes, the extremity of the right clavicle joined to the scapula, the middle of the left covered with a stony crust.”

Photo:Giant human footprints (or alleged human prints) have been found in Carson Nevada, near Lovelock, in New Mexico, in the Grand Canyon and many other locations around the world. These sandals were found in Lovelock cave, in Nevada, whee 8 foot red haired mummies were also found. Note that these sandals are nearly two feet in length while a man’s shoewear today on average would be around 12 inches….

It would seem to me that even in the late 1700’s if not even earlier, based on the caliber of scientific articles of that time concerning the human body, many scientists could have been able to tell the difference between the femur of a giant human and the femur of a mastodon. No doubt some faith can be had in their testimony even though all the historical accounts of giant human bones did not come from scientifically trained men.

Men of science have wondered if since there were countless examples in the fossil record of mega sized versions of much smaller creatures living today whether man himself may have existed in the past in mega form as well; and if not, why not?

Creation scientists believe that the earth was quite different in the pre-flood period than it is today. Evolutionists tend to believe in uniformism; that the present is the key to the past.

A 1987 article in Time Magazine entitled ”Putting On Ancient Airs”, informed that “two scientists stunned colleagues by reporting that 80 million years ago, the earth’s atmosphere contained about 50% more oxygen than it does now.”

Geochemists Gary Landis of the U.S. Geological Survey and Robert Berner of Yale were able to measure ancient air trapped in amber. Naturally we don’t subscribe to the age given as 80,000,000 years ago, but it does raise the possibility that at one time on this planet there was much more oxygen to breathe in the atmosphere than there is now. The comparison is 21% oxygen today vs. up to 35% oxygen in the past.
Perhaps older molecules of trapped air in amber might give an even higher figure.

Could a higher oxygen content along with other conditions help explain why giant humans and other giant creatures lived in the past? Time Magazine Source

Not only that; evolutionists insist that giant humans would have been too heavy to stand. They then have to account for ancient pictures of galloping elephants, (which can not gallop today) ancient birds of prey that couldn’t even get off the ground today, how sauropods were able to raise their necks high enough to eat tree leaves etc.

If we have proof that there was a great deal more oxygen in the air in the past, what else could have been different? Could gravity have been weaker in times past as well? Whatever the answer is, it was the same answer for the viability of giant humans as it was for giant reptiles.

Here we rediscover some historical articles concerning human giants in which we seek to overcome the common objections about the truth or accuracy of the accounts. Most were either discovered or championed by men of science or they were found buried wearing clothing or bearing other artifacts of man. Mastodons and their fellow travelers were seldom buried in coffins or in armor or with gold or copper jewelry etc..

GIANTS INHABITED FLORIDA IN THE YEAR 123,084 B. C.
State Geologist Sellards and Prof. Hay Concur in Opinion After Study of Fossil Found at Vero-
Say Men Grew 12 Feet Tall.
New Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917

Background

“Elias Howard Sellards, earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in 1899 and 1900, respectively, at the University of Kansas at Lawrence. He was awarded both a scholarship and a fellowship at Yale University, where he completed his doctorate in paleontology in 1903.

After graduating from Yale, Sellards taught geology and mineralogy for a year at Rutgers College, before becoming a professor of geology and zoology at the University of Florida in 1904. In 1907 he was named the first state geologist of Florida and held that position until 1918.

He was serving in that position when he found giant human bones near Vero Beach, Florida. He was later to serve as director of the Texas Memorial Museum from 1938 to 1957. In 1932 he became the director of the Bureau of Economic Geology, the source of this information. His discoveries were very controversial both because of the strata where the bones were discovered and because of their size.” University of Texas Source

Dr. OP Hay, co-discoverer was from the Carnegie Institution.

Smyrna Daily News Jan. 5, 1917–“That human beings inhabited the North American continent more than 125,000 years ago has been conclusively proven through a recent discovery in this state by E. H. Sellards, state geologist, and Prof. Oliver P. Hay who have made a study of the fossil. Though their opinions are not fully concurred in by other scientists, they are positive that their researches have been thorough and there is no room for a mistake.

The discovery was made several months ago, and though nothing of a definite nature had been given out until recently, it is now officially stated that human bones intermingled with those of the mastodon, saber tooth tiger, and many other extinct animals that formerly ranged this hemisphere have been found. The deposit was found near Vero.

That the human beings were of enormous size is evidenced by the bones. It is thought that some were ten or twelve feet in height. Some excellent specimens of the skeleton of these gigantic men have been found, some of them locked in the deadly embrace of great animals, with strange weapons of bone clutched in skeleton hands a foot long.”

Sellards and Hay must have known that their professional reputations would be at stake after such an announcement. Sellards did leave for Texas the following year. But to claim that human remains had been found in North America in the Pleistocene period and of a size that science claims never existed was unprecedented and incredible-twice over. No wonder they waited several months prior to the announcement.

They supposed that so many ancient animals had been found in association with the human bones because they had died together “locked in deadly combat”

A group of six; including anthropologists and geologists quickly arrived on site and eventually wrote a report which was published in Jan-Feb issue of the Journal of Geology. In that report, Sellards is quoted as saying that this was the oldest deposit from which human remains had ever been taken. Note that what Mr. Sellards meant is that these were not the bones of some ape being passed off as a pre-human.

The article continues on: If this research proves to be all that the scientists think it is, the world at large will be astounded to know that many things which had long been suspected are true. (There were giants in those days?)

There are many who believe Bering straight was crossed ages ago by inhabitants of European countries who probably had to flee across the Stnnovoi Mountains of Siberia.

The claims that Sellards and O.P. Hay were making did not sit well with many scientists and the debate raged for many years with the paradigm working to show that the bones really came from a much higher and thus geologically younger strata (intrusion). (Of course, I do not personally agree with the geological timescale the current scientific paradigm advances, either.)

One can find many articles about these discoveries by searching Google for Vero Beach and the Antiquity of man. Rarely if ever do we see Sellards’ claims about the stature of the ancient men addressed. He did not leave himself without testimony however, as photographs of some of the bones, human and animal can be found online at the State of Florida Library website.

Left:Ulna of man, #5895, anterior view]
Publication info: 1916.
Physical descrip:
1 photoprint : b&w ; 5 x 7 in.
Series Title:
(Florida Geological Survey Collection.)
General Note: Used in 8th Annual report, pl.18, fig.2. Found in stratum 3 at Vero.
Date/place captured:
Photographed in February of 1916.

Tibia (right) of man, #5196, and right ulna (left) Canis dirus, #5451] [picture]
Greene, E. Peck.

This source: Lists many news articles and provides other research material descriptions and locations

Sellards defended his findings in among other reports; FLORIDA STATE GEOLOGICAL SURVEY.
E. H. SELLARDS, PH. D., STATE GEOLOGIST. NINTH ANNUAL REPORT.

His Report Conclusion: “The human remains and artifacts are contemporaneous with extinct species of mammals, birds, reptiles, and at least one extinct species of plants, as well as with other animal and plant species that do not at the present time extend their range into Florida. The age of the deposits containing these fossils according to the accepted interpretation of faunas and floras is Pleistocene.”


Epilogue: University of Florida: Epic carving on fossil bone found in Vero Beach

In what a top Florida anthropologist is calling “the oldest, most spectacular and rare work of art in the Americas,” an amateur Vero Beach fossil hunter has found an ancient bone etched with a clear image of a walking mammoth or mastodon.

According to leading experts from the University of Florida, the remarkable find demonstrates with new and startling certainty that humans coexisted with prehistoric animals more than 12,000 years ago in this fossil- rich region of the state.

Source

Time Magazine
Science: The Diggers
Monday, Nov. 16, 1925

In Nevada, Governor James Graves Scrugham reported having enlisted capital for continued excavations in “Pueblo Grande de Nevada,” the pueblo cliff city eight miles long which he discovered personally last year and intends making into a state park. Some 50 of the 10,000 or more graves have been opened, containing corn, weapons, decorations and dice, dating (by estimate) to 5,000 B. C. Hard by the city is a turquoise mine. Some of the skeletons are gigantic.

In New Mexico and Arizona, tremendous prehistoric stone “apartment houses” were found, three-to five-story communal dwellings, some housing 600 to 1,200 Indians, whose hieroglyphics are not unlike those of the Chinese. The age of these cities was put between 2,000 and 5,000 years. In Roosevelt Lake (Arizona), a city emerged from the water during a drought. Like the Nevada aborigines, these Arizona men were big. Their culture was much higher, from Mexico probably, even, considering their great numbers, the possible original of Mexican culture.

Farther north in this state, an expedition financed by .Edward L. (oil) Doheny, found dinosaur tracks and animal pictures in the Grand Canyon.

Near Bend, Ore., a University of Oregon geologist found fossils of huge camels in Pleistocene strata. Monroe, N. Y., contributed to the nation’s store of mastodon bones, skulls, teeth.

In Mexico, miners prospecting the Chihuahua Mountains found, intact in a hidden cave, a group of skeletons in sitting postures, arms crossed over knees. Measured from crown to heel they sat five to six feet high; erect they would have stood ten to twelve feet. Anthropologists set off to examine these giants, hoping to clear the doubtful origin of the Chihuahua Indians, a rangy race. Time Source

Beach Giant’s Skull Unearthed
By WPA Workers Near Victoria
Believed to Be Largest Ever Found in World; Normal Head Also Found
San Antonio Express – January 7, 1940, San Antonio, Texas

“That Texas “had a giant on the beach” in the long ago appears probable from the large skull recently unearthed in a mound in Victoria County, believed to be the largest human skull ever found in the United States and possibly in the world.


Twice the size of the skull of normal man, the fragments were dug up by W. Duffen, archaeologist, who is excavating the mound in Victoria County under a WPA project sponsored by the University of Texas. In the same mound and at the same level, a normal sized skull was found.

The pieces taken from the mound were reconstructed in the WPA laboratory under supervision of physical anthropologists. A study is being made to determine whether the huge skull was that of a man belonging to a tribe of extraordinary large men or whether the skull was that of an abnormal member of a tribe, a case of “giantism”.

No claim is made in the short article re the estimated size of this individual. This is rather a late find, taking place in 1940 and rare in that there is a photo accompanying the article. If the skull is indeed twice normal size (by volume) then we are talking about a rather large man.

Normal sized skulls were also found at the site.

The Cardiff Giant Outdone
18 Foot Human Giant and Enormous Helmet of Iron Found
The Oil City Times, Pennsylvania, December 31, 1869.

A Mr. Robert Smith and a Mr. William Thompson were in the process of digging around the property of one of the men ½ mile from the town of West Hickory.

“In an excavation, made by William Thompson and Robert Smith, half a mile north of West Hickory, they exhumed an enormous helmet of iron which was corroded with rust. Further digging brought to light a sword which measured nine feet in length, and after some little time they discovered the bones of two very large feet.

Following up the lead, in a few hours time they unearthed a well-preserved skeleton of an enormous giant, belonging to a species of the human family which probably inhabited this part of the world at the time of which the Bible speaks, when it says, ‘ and there were giants in those days.’

The helmet is said to be of the shape of those found among the ruins of Nineveh. The bones are remarkably white, the teeth are all in their places, and all of them are double, and of extraordinary size. These relics have been taken to Tionesta, where they are visited by large numbers of persons daily. The giant must have stood eighteen feet in his stockings.”

The remains had been found twelve feet below the surface of a mound which the discoverers believed had been constructed centuries before.

Biggest Giant Ever Known
Nine Feet High and Probably A California Indian
Measurement Well Authenticated
The World: October 6, 1895

The corpse of the biggest man who ever lived has been dug up near San Diego. There is no satisfactory record in ancient or modern history to account for any human being nearly this tall. The mummy which is the condition in which the body was found must have been more than nine feet in height in life.

The article goes on to state that there was no question as to its size as the cadaver was carefully measured by Professor Thomas Wilson, Curator of the Department of Prehistoric Anthropology of the Smithsonian Institute and by other experts. According to the article, the man in mummified state still measured eight feet four inches in height.

The man was believed to have been a prehistoric “Indian” whose giant body has been preserved by the arid weather of the region. The body had been found in a cave near San Diego by a group of miners. The remnants of a leather band had been found over his head and he appeared to be well advanced in years.

The writer went on to speculate that this was the tallest man ever found or described outside of the Bible

A Giant Exhumed.
Niles’ National Register, Volume 69
October 4, 1846

We are informed on the most reliable authority, that a person in Franklin County, Tenn.) while digging a well, a few weeks since, found a human skeleton, at the depth of fifty feet, which measures eighteen feet in length.

The immense frame was entire with an unimportant exception in one of the extremities. It has been visited by several of the principal members of the medical faculty in Nashville, and pronounced unequivocally, by all, the skeleton of a huge man.

The bone of the thigh, measured five feet; and it was computed that the height of the living man, making the proper allowance for muscles, must have been at least twenty feet. The finder had been offered eight thousand dollars for it, but had determined not to sell it at any price, until first exhibiting it for twelve months.—

He is now having the different parts wired together for this purpose. These unwritten records of the men and animals of other ages that are from time to time dug out of the bowels of the earth, put conjecture into confusion, and almost surpass imagination itself. JlMison Banner.

The Sauk Rapids Sentinel (Minn.)
Dec. 18, 1869 gives the following:—

” Day before yesterday, while the quarrymen, employed by the Sauk Rapids Water Power Company, were engaged in quarrying rock for the dam which is being erected across the Mississippi at this place, they found embedded in the solid granite rock the remains of a human being of gigantic stature.


About seven feet below the surface of the ground, and about three and a half beneath the upper stratum of rock, the remains were found imbedded in the sand, which had evidently been placed in the quadrangular grave which had been dug out of the solid rock to receive the last remains of this antediluvian giant. The grave was twelve feet in length, four feet wide, and about three feet in depth, and is to-day at least two feet below the present level of the river. The remains are completely petrified, and are of gigantic dimensions.

The head is massive, measures thirty one and one half inches in circumference, but low in the os frontis, and very flat on the top. The femur measures twenty-six and a quarter inches, and the fibula twenty-five and a half, while the body is equally long in proportion.

From the crown of the head to the sole of the foot, the length is ten feet nine and a half inches. The measure around the chest is fifty-nine and a half inches. This giant must have weighed at least nine hundred pounds, when covered with a reasonable amount of flesh.”

The remains were to be sent on to Boston for study by the “learned”.

Curiously enough, the Cardiff Giant, now either revealed or claimed to be a hoax was discovered almost two months to the day prior, in October 1869—and was also claimed to be petrified and to have been somewhat north of 10 feet tall.

Giant Human Tracks In Association with Dinosaur Tracks at Paluxy-1930

In 1930 Roland T. Bird, field explorer for the American Museum, reported 15-20 inch long “clearly defined” human footprints with dinosaur tracks.


Some skeptics believed that these human footprints were fake. They lifted up more rock ledges along the ride of the river, only to find more prints. One footprint was even cut in half and sawed across the toes. The lamination line was distorted by the mud squeezing up between the toes.

In 1970, James Ryals, who had been cutting out tracks and selling them since the 1930s, was interviewed. He reported the human tracks as mostly barefooted, but sometimes encased in some form of wrapping. The stride varied from two to seven feet. There are human tracks crossing dinosaur tracks, and dinosaur tracks which have blotted out human tracks in sequence.
Cole, John R., Ed.; Godfrey, Laurie R., Ed. The Paluxy River Footprint Mystery–Solved. Creation/Evolution; v5 n1 Win 1985

A PRE-HISTORIC GIANT.
Boston Journal of Chemistry and Pharmacy, Volumes 24-26 Page 113 1890

THE legends of all races tell of a time when mankind were of giant stature, doubtless arising, in many cases, from the discovery of the fossil bones of ancient animals of large size, such as the elephant, mammoth, etc. But, as far as we know, there is no proof whatever that the human race was ever possessed of a greater average stature than at present.

In fact, the tendency seems to be in the opposite direction, the men of the present time slightly exceeding their ancestors in size—a result doubtless due to the improved conditions of existence in these latter days.

Occasional instances of unusual stature are, however, not uncommon, and can be seen in almost any dime museum; and that there were giants even in the Stone Age seems to be proved by a discovery made near Montpellier, in France, by M. LAPOUGE, and communicated by him to La Nature.

At Castelnau, near the above town, is a prehistoric cemetery, dating from the ages of polished stone and bronze. A large number of human bones were found, including about forty skulls, one of which formerly belonged to an individual about eighteen years old, who, judging from the size of his skull must have been over six feet in height. Hut the most remarkable “finds” of M. Lapouge were three pieces of bone, illustrated in the engraving, which must formerly have belonged to some pre-historic giant of extraordinary size.

The first piece, shown on the left of the engraving, is a part of a femur, or thigh-bone, and the one on the right a part of a tibia, or shin-bone. In the middle is represented a humerus, or bone of the upper arm, from the same ancient cemetery, but of normal size. At the bottom is represented a small fragment, which may be either a piece of a femur or a humerus; if the latter, then it must also have formerly made up part of the skeleton of the giant, as can be seen by comparison with the normal humerus above it.

If we judge of the height of this neolithic giant by the usual proportion of the parts of the skeleton to each other, he must have been between ten and eleven feet high. The question remains whether this excessive growth was a normal one, or due to a diseased condition resulting in a general hypertrophy of the osseous system.

On this point the authorities differ, one professor of the University of Montpellier holding that the bones are normal in every respect, while another finds evidence of a diseased condition. In either case the giant of Castelnau must have been a source of wonder, if not of terror, to the savage men of those times, and was doubtless treated with all the honor which in these modern days is bestowed upon a successful prize-fighter.

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The 1,268 Chocolate Hills of Bohol, Philippines; Geological or Man-Made?

s8int.com, Science, Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Jun 05 2010

Photo:Chocolate Hills. Source

No one really knows how or when the between 1,268 and 1,776 Hershey’s Kisses shaped hills were either formed or constructed near Bohol, Philippines. The hills range in height between 150 to 450 feet high and are very regular in shape. The theories have hardened into fact; they were created through some geological process and are NOT man made.

If you were to do research on the hills you would find that a great deal of information has simply been copied from one site to another and a very common sentence is; “you will be very surprised to find out that the hills are not man-made”.

We’re not arguing that they aren’t geological; that’s what the experts have done; argue over various proposed geological processes that whatever they were – seemingly only ocurred here. What we do note is how the experts come in and even though they differ–they have made the official proclamation that they are geological and so now; they ARE geological. Perhaps they are right but since they don’t know WHAT geological process created them, making definitive statements about there origin would seem to be premature. This is how science works; speculation, favored speculation–incontrovertible fact.

They are cool though and remind us of the The Pyramidal Hills of Luoping, China (pictured, right) which everyone concedes; are man made, no?

The Chocolate Hills of Bohol, Philippines; Wikipedia

“The Chocolate Hills are an unusual geological formation in Bohol, Philippines. According to the latest accurate survey done, there are 1,776 hills spread over an area of more than 50 square kilometres (20 sq mi). They are covered in green grass that turns brown during the dry season, hence the name.

The Chocolate Hills are a famous tourist attraction of Bohol. They are featured in the provincial flag and seal to symbolize the abundance of natural attractions in the province. They are in the Philippine Tourism Authority’s list of tourist destinations in the Philippines; they have been declared the country’s 3rd National Geological Monument and proposed for inclusion in the UNESCO World Heritage List.

The Chocolate Hills is a rolling terrain of haycock hills – mounds of general shape which are conical and almost symmetrical. Estimated to be at least 1,268 individual mounds to about 1,776, these cone-shaped or dome-shaped hills are actually made of grass-covered limestone. The domes vary in sizes from 30 to 50 metres (98 to 160 ft) high with the largest being 120 metres (390 ft) in height. They are scattered throughout the towns of Carmen, Batuan and Sagbayan in Bohol. Bohol’s “main attraction”, these unique mound-shaped hills are scattered by the hundreds on the island’s central plain, concentrated near the town of Carmen.

During the dry season, the precipitation is inadequate such that the grass-covered hills dry up and turn chocolate brown. This transforms the area into seemingly endless rows of “chocolate kisses”. The branded confection is the inspiration behind the name, Chocolate Hills.

Origin

The Chocolate Hills are conical karst hills similar to those seen in the limestone regions of Slovenia, Croatia, northern Puerto Rico, and Pinar del Rio Province, Cuba. These hills consist of Late Pliocene to Early Pleistocene, thin to medium bedded, sandy to rubbly marine limestones.

These limestones contain the aboundant fossils of shallow marine foraminifera, coral, mollusks, and algae.The Chocolate Hills consist of conical karst hills, called mogote, created by a combination of the dissolution of limestones by rainfall, surface water, and groundwater and their subaerial erosion by rivers and streams after they had been uplifted above sea level and fractured by tectonic processes.

These hills are separated by well developed flat plains and contain numerous caves and springs. The Chocolate Hills are considered to be a remarkable example of conical karst topography.

The origin for the conical karst of the Chocolate Hills is described in popular terms on the bronze plaque at the viewing deck in Carmen, Bohol. This plaque states that they are eroded formations of a type of marine limestone that sits on top of hardened clay. The plaque reads:

The unique land form known as the Chocolate Hills of Bohol was formed ages ago by the uplift of coral deposits and the action of rain water and erosion.

The plaque also makes reference to a fanciful explanation of the origin of the Chocolate Hills that is unsupported by any published scientific research, i.e. either Hillmer or Travaglia and others, when it states::

the grassy hills were once coral reefs that erupted from the sea in a massive geologic shift. Wind and water put on the finishing touches over hundreds of thousands of years.”

Chocolate Hills in Bohol

Photographer Salvador Andre notes:

“Most people who first see pictures of this landscape can hardly believe that these hills are not a man-made artifact. However, this idea is quickly abandoned, as the effort would surely surpass the construction of the pyramids in Egypt. ”

Further: “There is no natural formation like them in the world. From a distance, they look like half a ball grown out of the ground.The molehill-shaped and almost uniformly sized hills dot the landscape with green and brown. “

The Chocolate Hills is a rolling terrain of haycock hills — mounds of general shape which are conical and almost symmetrical. Estimated to be at least 1,268 individual mounds to about 1,776, these cone-shaped or dome-shaped hills are actually grass-covered limestone hills. The large and numerous perfect domes vary in sizes from 30 meters to 50 meters high with the largest being 120 meters in height.

Aesthetically extensive, they are scattered throughout the towns of Carmen, Batuan and Sagbayan in Bohol. Bohol’s “main attraction”, these unique mound-shaped hills are scattered by the thousands on the island’s central plain, concentrated near the town of Carmen.

At dawn or at sunset, the Chocolate Hills are an alluring sight; the whole area picturesque amidst the rice fields and the clusters of houses made of the diamond patterned sawali or bamboo slats.

During the dry season, the precipitation is inadequate such that the grass-covered hills dry up and turn chocolate brown. This transforms the area into seemingly endless rows of “chocolate kisses”. The branded confection is the inspiration behind the name, Chocolate Hills.


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The Chocolate Hills and the area around it have relatively flat to rolling topography with elevation ranges from 100 meters to 500 meters above sea level. Higher karstic hills dominate the landscape inland then turning almost uniformly and naturally molded in Carmen.

The vegetation of the Chocolate Hills is dominated by hardy grass species such as Imperata cylindrica and Saccharum spontaneum. Several Compositae and ferns also grow on the hills. In between the hills, the flat lands are cultivated to rice and other cash crops. However, the natural vegetation on the Chocolate Hills is now highly threatened by quarrying activities.

There are a number of geological proposals regarding the formation of the hills. These include simple limestone weathering, sub-oceanic volcanism, the uplift of the seafloor and a more recent theory which maintains that as an ancient active volcano self-destructed, it spewed huge blocks of stone which were then covered with limestone and later thrust forth from the ocean bed.

Geologists have actually long debated about the formation of the hills, resulting in various ways the origin of the Chocolate Hills are stated or explained. The one written on the bronze plaque at the viewing deck in Carmen, Bohol states that they are eroded formations of a type of marine limestone that sits on top of hardened clay.The plaque reads:

“The unique land form known as the Chocolate Hills of Bohol was formed ages ago by the uplift of coral deposits and the action of rain water and erosion. ”

Another statement says: “the grassy hills were once coral reefs that erupted from the sea in a massive geologic shift. Wind and water put on the finishing touches over hundreds of thousands of years. ”

Still another way the origin is stated is that they were formed centuries ago by tidal movement and by the uplift of coral deposits and the action of rain water and erosion. Another theory is that they were ancient coral limestone reefs shaped by many thousands of years erosion by both water and wind. Geologists think that the specific shape of the hills is caused by the influences of the weather during millions of years.

The breaking down of the upper layers of the limestone formations, followed by the erosion processes, resulted in these remnants in the shape of cones. It is likely that they were once limestone deposits beneath the sea, uplifted by the movement of plates and then smoothed by wind and rainwater erosion.

The Chocolate Hills are conical karst hills similar to those seen in the limestone regions of Slovenia and Croatia, only that the Chocolate Hills have no caves. According to the karst theory, “sea level changes and uplift combined with terrestrial erosion and air exposure of biogenic reef regions have given rise to hummocky landscapes that are often impregnated with sinkholes and caves.” The Chocolate Hills are considered among the examples of this karst topography.”

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