Archive for May 11th, 2009

Florida Sea Monster Controversy?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature,, Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 11 2009


Video by Shiv

From: Shiv: “I strongly suspect that a mosasaur was caught on video.

I also point out how Monsterquest and/or the camera man were misleading the audience away from the mosasaur moment.

This moment didn’t appear on the monsterquest episode. They only showed the parts which appeared to show manatees and some weird seal like animal with a trident tail. I show the mosasaur moment at about 3:07 on the video above.

—Monsterquest did not deal with this issue properly. There is more going on than they presented and/or the original camera man did not want too much to be revealed. None of the audio, video or pictures in this presentation are being used for profit.

My sincere thanks to brothers Bill and Bob Clark ( the men who filmed the San Francisco sea serpent), they are genuine truth seekers and have been of real help. “..Shiv

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Did Mosasaur Become Extinct 65 Million years Ago? Ancient Greek Vase Depiction?

Photo:Caeretan black-figure clay vase from Stavros S. Niarchos collection. John Boardman, Classical Art Pl. VII 71. Photo. S.Hertig; Zurich University Collection

What do we think?

Interesting. We can’t of course confirm your hypothesis but it does remind us that there is a convincing depiction of the mosasaur-or other supposedly extinct aquatic reptile, currently catalogued by science as pliosauria, mosasauria or possibly one of the metriorhynchids. The thing is, much of what we think these creatures look like today is due to the workof a few illustrators from partial fossils.

In science, when it comes to illustrating extinct fossils, the general rule seems to be follow the leader. The “monster” shown here battling Hercules on the ancient Greek vase is uncannily silmilar to the mosasaur. What are the odds that the Greeks could have invented in their minds a creature so similar to modern depictions of “extinct”, sea dragons”.?

A very real seal and a very real dolphin are included in the artistic piece which tends to ground it in reality (as to the fauna) as well as to provide a sense of scale.

Critics of the idea that this vase represents a mosasaur would argue that; -it went extinct 65 million years ago, and thus could not depict a mosasaur , that there is no fossil evidence for a central frill (as shown) and that this depiction shows a tailfin, while mosasaurs are thought to have a flattened tail without fins.

Those may or may not seem like quibbles when you consider how accurate this depiction is in most of its details. The lack of fossil evidence for the frill can be dismissed as these characteristics are often soft and the least likely to leave an impression. For example certain pterosaurs, originally drawn without a headcrest are now being drawn with one (pterodactylus for example) because a fossil was found providing faint outlines of the crest.

Additionally, certain (brave?) scientists have suggested that the masosaur did in fact have a hypocercal tail, with two asymmetrical caudal fins. (See Greek Vase Tail Depiction In this Post)

The Sternberg Museum held a symposium in 2007 and among their findings: “little work has hitherto been done on the different stages of mosasauroid tail fin evolution, and most studies inaccurately assume that they were all anguilliform swimmers powered by isocercal caudal flukes (i.e. single-lobed tail fins supported by a centrally located backbone), unsuitable for rapid, sustained cruising.

Nonetheless, recent investigations have demonstrated that at least the derived members of the Mosasauroidea were pisciform animals equipped with semilunate tails, making them similar in appearance to moderately derived ichthyosaurs (another group of extinct marine reptiles), sharks and whales….”

Darren Naish, of the Paleobiology Research Group, complained in a recent newsgroup post that , “Robert Bakker has been restoring his mosasaurs with well-developed tail fins and dorsal fins (!). I think this is pretty fanciful.”

Robert T. Bakker, Ph.D. is the Curator of Paleontology at Houston Museum of Natural Science. Of course, we don’t suggest that he would agree to an ID of mosasaur for the creature on the vase.

Those who would suggest that this cannot be a mosasaur because of the tail depiction should read the latest literature. Wouldn’t it be ironic that this depiction could be discredited as a mosasaur because it accurately depicted what it looked like?

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