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Ancient Americans: Rewriting the History of the New World -At Least the First Thanksgiving Story is True, Right?

Sophistication of Ancestors | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 25 2008

by Andrew Lawless

February 2005
Source:
Three Monkeys Online

Photo: Veracruz, 450 A.D. One of many examples of the wheel iamong ancient American Artifacts. Ancient Americans allegedly did not have the wheel. LA County Museum.

What kind of world was the Americas, before European colonists arrived? Advances in the fields of anthropology, archaeology, ecology, geography and history have combined to challenge many of the long-held theories about what pre-Columbian America was like, who inhabited it, and their origins. Science writer Charles C. Mann has followed these developments with interest and the sharp eye of a journalist, after an unplanned trip to the Mayan ruins of Chichén Itzá in 1983 left him enthralled with Mesoamerican culture. Mann has been described as “a brilliant synthesizer and populizer of scholarly ideas”, and in his latest book Ancient Americans: Rewriting the History of the New World he brings to light some of the main contemporary archaeological and historical issues surrounding the Americas pre-1492. Issues that are not only pertinent to academic study, but also have significant implications for 21st century Americans and Europeans, and for how we view our modern relationship with the natural world.

Charles C. Mann kindly agreed to the following interview (conducted by email).

The title of your book, in Europe at least, is Ancient Americans, which is as good a place to start as any. You highlight arguments that suggest that not only have we been mistaken about the size of pre-Columbian society, but also its age. How far back can we reliably date a city-dwelling society in the Americas?

The earliest known urban complex in the Americas was a cluster of more than 20 small cities in coastal Peru, an hour or so north of Lima. Using carbon-dating, a Peruvian-American team determined in 2001 that the cities dated back to 3000 B.C. — some a bit earlier, some more recent. This is old not just for the Americas but for the entire world. The pyramids in Egypt had not got started then, for instance.

A long section of the book is taken up with the debate over the size of the pre-Columbian population in the Americas. What do you think is the most credible estimate, and why does it matter so much?

Until the 1960s most researchers thought that when Columbus landed the entire hemisphere held only a few million people. Now most (though not all) believe the actual count was much, much higher. The highest scholarly estimate I’ve seen is 140 million, though only a small percentage of researchers think the number could be that high. A more widely accepted figure now is 40-60 million. Note, though, that the ‘widely accepted’ number keeps rising as new information comes in. I wouldn’t be surprised if the consensus figure ended up being 80 million.

The debate is important for many reasons, but I’ll mention just two. One is that the population numbers give a sense of the scale of Indian civilizations. Small societies have a tough time coming up with the surplus and labor needed construct the public architecture, road networks, transportation systems, and so on that define materially sophisticated cultures. You need to have a certain number of people to build Chartres or the Temple of Heaven.

A second reason is that one justification used by Europeans to take over the Americas was the legal doctrine of res nullius, the concept that anyone can take unused, unoccupied land. If the native population of the United States in 1491 was 900,000, as scholars until recently believed, it seemed pretty clear that Britons and Spaniards and Frenchmen could snap up some land without doing anyone wrong. If, by contrast, the country was home to millions of people, this justification no longer becomes tenable.

The latest edition (fourth) of The Times Compact History of the World (2005) introduces the Americas with the following: “The Americas were colonized from Asia late in the last Ice Age, when lowered sea levels turned the Bering Strait into dry land. The subsequent melting of the ice cut off the continent from Eurasia”. Why do you think it is that the Bering Strait theory has dominated and overshadowed competing theories regarding the origins of America’s original colonizers? Are we any closer to a new consensus on the issue of from where and how America was colonized initially?

The Bering Strait theory is tidy and readily understood, which makes it intellectually appealing. In addition, the most widely accepted evidence for the first human presence in the hemisphere was right after the Strait sank beneath the waves, and the timing was hard to ignore. In the last two decades, though, a host of linguistic, genetic, geological, and archaeological data has challenged the Bering Strait theory — fatally, in the view of most researchers.

First, a Chilean-American team of researchers unearthed compelling evidence for human habitation in the extreme south, near Tierra del Fuego, at about the time the Straits were closing. Because most researchers believe that it would have taken thousands of years for the paleo-Indians, as they were called, to colonize the hemisphere, this suggests that they were here longer than previously believed. A second piece of evidence is the failure to discover evidence for the “ice-free passage”.

This related to the problem that anyone who walked over the Bering Strait would have run into the two massive, 2000-mile-long sheets of ice that then covered North America — it was the Ice Age, one recalls. It had been speculated that the melting of the ice would open up a gap between the two ice sheets, parting them like the Red Sea before Moses. Paleo-Indians would have walked through the gap into the rest of the Americas. This seems not to have occurred. And a third piece of evidence, from genetics, suggests that Indians separated genetically from their kindred in Siberia twenty or even thirty thousand years ago.

All of these things, while not conclusive, point toward a much earlier origin. Because nobody can figure out how else they could have crossed the ice, more and more researchers are beginning to think they must have come by boat. There’s no evidence for this. But in some sense it should be the default hypothesis — after all, Asians came to Australia by boat tens of thousands of years ago.

When faced with the accomplishments of the Aztec, Maya, and Inca, a commonplace response has been to say “that’s all very well, but they didn’t even have the wheel”. Without asking you to evaluate competitively the different cultures, can you roughly compare and contrast the level of technical innovation between the Americas and Europe at the time of Conquest?

Europeans indeed had some advantages over indigenous societies — the horse, infectious diseases like smallpox — but these were generally not technological advantages. Rather, each society had its own areas of specialized development. Many agricultural researchers believe that the agricultural crops and methods in the Americas were superior to those in Europe, for example. Meanwhile, the Europeans had superior means of harnessing water power — pumps and mills. Which is more important? It’s hard to say.

An example I spend some time with in my book is metallurgy. Europeans had steel and Indians did not, which has led some researchers to argue that Indian metallurgy essentially didn’t exist. After all, they didn’t have the steel axe. But this is not the case. The Inca, for example, valued metal not for its hardness and sharpness but for its color and ductility. Thus they learned to create complex gold and silver alloys and developed techniques for joining and molding extremely thin sheets that were beyond anything in Europe at the time. As it turned out, having steel weapons would have been useful in the confrontation with Europe, but their absence was not due to a lack of sophisticated metallurgy. There are many more examples.

American poet Robert Frost wrote in The Gift Outright that “the land was ours before we were the land’s” — a land that was “still unstoried, artless, unenhanced / Such as she was, such as she would become”. This idea, that the land of America was “unenhanced” before its European colonization, has become an integral part of the modern American identity. To what extent do the new theories/arguments outlined in Ancient Americans call into question the image of colonial Americans as innovators “enhancing” nature (and in a sense meriting the land as a result)?

If anything, Europeans ‘de-enhanced’ the land (if there is such a word), at least initially. Before colonization, Indians had managed most of the landscapes of the Americas for millennia. If you had somehow been able to fly over New England, for example, you would have seen the coastline and major river valleys dotted with villages and towns and lined, several miles deep, with maize fields. Beyond the fields was the forest — not the untended wilderness imagined by Thoreau, but a carefully controlled place which annual burnings kept open and parklike (this was to increase the supply of game). So open was the forest that the first visitors reported being able to ride carriages through the trees, with no need to cut roads.

When Europeans came, they inadvertently imported European diseases to which natives had no immunity. The result was a massive wave of death that killed as much as 90 percent of the initial population. Because the population shrank, it became difficult for native societies to manage their landscapes as they had done before and it reverted to a wild state. Europeans did not alter the wilderness so much as tragically create it. Later, of course, they set to modifying their creation — ‘enhancing’ it, if you will.

This ties in with the above question, in the sense that it deals with a poetic notion that dominates much of American literature – wilderness. Do we need to go back and re-read people like Henry David Thoreau in a new light, based on the theories you’ve presented — that much of what was taken for wilderness by modern Americans was in fact the product of a deliberate human interaction with nature?

I believe so. Wilderness is a lovely idea but one that has the unfortunate side-effect of rendering invisible the original inhabitants of the western hemisphere. It is also problematic for conservation. If the goal of many American conservation efforts is to bring back the land to what it was before Columbus, then it needs not to be left alone but to be actively managed.

To a certain extent discussion of the encounter between European colonizers and the Native Americans (for want of a better term) has been dominated by an examination of the effect of the colonizers on the colonized. In a fascinating coda to the book, you speculate about some of the effects Native Americans had on the shaping of modern American culture and representative democracy. You have been taken to task, though, in reviews of the book for this speculation, for example by Prof. Alan Taylor in the Washington Post. Is it naïve, as Taylor suggests, to draw a link between Native American society and, for example, the framing of the American constitution?

I don’t want to argue specifically with Prof. Taylor, who is a marvelous historian and who was really very kind to my book. But I will say that some of the historians who have objected to this bit in my book seem to me to be reacting to something I didn’t say, rather than to my actual argument. The reason is that 10-15 years ago some historians wrote that the U.S. constitution was modeled on the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) constitution. The Haudenosaunee were a group of five (later six) societies that banded together in upstate New York to create was the major polity in the Northeast at the time of colonization. Other historians were so annoyed by the debate around these claims, which took on overtones of political correctness, etc., etc., that they ended up denouncing me for arguing the same thing.

I didn’t. Taken literally, as I wrote, the claim that the U.S. constitution was copied from the Indians seems implausible — the legislative system in the Haudenosaunee constitution, though enlightened by contemporary standards, simply wasn’t very much like that in the U.S. constitution.

Instead I argued a different thing: that native cultures and European cultures influenced each other. By this I mean the same kind of cultural borrowing we see today, in which Asian kids from Queens (in New York City) wear hip-hop clothing, and African-American kids from Harlem practice kung-fu moves and wear Bruce Lee T-shirts. For the first two centuries of U.S. history, Indian and European societies lived around each other in a way that is difficult to understand now. There are lots of historical studies of how Indians borrowed from Europeans, but very few that look the other way. It seems to me implausible, on the face of it, that the traffic went only one way.

My speculation (backed by some evidence) is that the celebrated American ‘democratic spirit’ — the open, classless, egalitarian brashness observed by countless foreign visitors — had part of its origins in the relatively open, classless, egalitarian Indian societies of the Northeast, which were strongly based on conceptions of the sovereign individual. This may well be wrong, but to date I have seen no refutation of it.

Remembering stories and films from my childhood that touched upon the conquest of America, the image presented generally was that of bloodthirsty, rapacious and greedy Spaniards encountering an innocent, superstitious culture quickly defeated by a combination of guile, steel, and horsepower. We know, of course, though, that Europeans brought disease with them, though in those same stories it was, at best, a bit part in the narrative. How decisive, though, was the introduction of new diseases like smallpox in leading to a European victory?

Completely decisive. Take a single example: the conquest of the Triple Alliance (Aztec Empire) by Cortes. Every schoolchild learns that Cortes marched into Mexico at the head of a small army; seized Motecuhzoma (paramount leader of the empire), who thought the Europeans were gods; and then conquered the rest of the empire by dint of superior technology. Almost all of this is demonstrably wrong. To begin with, Cortes catalyzed a revolt against the oppressive Triple Alliance, which led to him marching at the head of an enormous army — eighty to a hundred thousand people, according to some historians. (Properly speaking, the whole conquest was really a matter of Cortes cleverly hijacking a war among powerful Indian states.) Cortes did seize Motecuhzoma, but there is no contemporary evidence that the Indian leader believed the Spaniards were gods — that story first emerges more than a century later. And, most important, when the Triple Alliance counterattacked, during the so-called noche triste, it utterly vanquished Cortes. He lost two-thirds of his men and all of his horses and was driven out of the city.

That would have been that for Cortes, except that he was incredibly lucky. At about the same time, a second Spanish expedition landed on the Mexican mainland. This expedition was sent to take Cortes back — he was acting illegally. Cortes had attacked it and seized its men. One of them, possibly a slave, was sick with smallpox, and he infected the hemisphere. Something like one out of every three people in the Triple Alliance died during the next few months. Because the Spaniards were all immune to smallpox and didn‘t die, their Indian allies — and the Spaniards themselves — believed they were favored by God. And this allowed Cortes to reform his alliance and attack the weakened city.

I don’t mean here to denigrate Cortes’s bravery, leadership, or cruelty. But he never would have conquered Mexico without smallpox. The same epidemic apparently swept as far south as the Inca empire, where it killed the emperor and his designated successor and provoked a calamitous civil war. This was the situation that allowed Pizarro to conquer the empire, again by playing off disease-weakened factions against each other. And similar stories happened time and time again during the colonization of the Americas. Jared Diamond, as your readers may recall, wrote a book called Guns, Germs, and Steel. A history of the conquest should be called Germs, Germs, and Germs.

Ancient Americans: Rewriting the History of the New World by Charles C. Mann is published by Granta.

The Badlands Guardian: Strange Rock Formation in Alberta Canada

Uncategorized, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 24 2008

Photo:Satellite view of Badlands Guardian.

This feature has been around a while but we didn’t realize that it was so easily reproduced. Someone with a little too much time on their hands discovered a geomorphological feature that looks incredibly like a Native American in a full headdress. The image is pretty uncanny and vastly superior to that alledged “face on mars”.

The Badlands Guardian is a geomorphological feature located at 50°00?38.20?N 110°06?48.32?W near Medicine Hat in the south east corner of Alberta, Canada. Viewed from the air, the feature bears a strong resemblance to a human head wearing a full native American headdress. Because of additional man-made structure, it also appears to be wearing earphones.

The head is a drainage feature created through erosion of soft, clay-rich soil by the action of wind and water. The arid badlands are typified by infrequent but intense rain-showers, sparse vegetation and soft sediments. The ‘head’ may have been created during a short period of fast erosion immediately following intense rainfall.

The apparent earphones are a road and an oil well, which has been in place only a few years, and will likely become invisible once the well falls into disuse and its superficial features are eroded. The feature is best viewed from Google Maps (satellite view). The lighting is ideal for bringing out the apparent facial features. Although the image appears to be a positive feature, it is actually a negative feature (a valley)

Originally discovered by Lynn Hickox (screen name “Supergranny” on Google Earth)[1], suitable names were canvassed by CBC Radio One program As It Happens. Out of 50 names submitted, seven were suggested to the Cypress County Council. They altered the suggested ‘Guardian of the Badlands’ to become Badlands Guardian…..Wikipedia

View the image (zoom in and out> for yourself on Google Maps.

Discovery of Vast Prehistoric Works Built by Giants? The Geoglyphs of Teohuanaco

Giants in Those Days, s8int.com, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 20 2008

You’ve probably already gotten on to this one, and I missed it.

Just in case . . . David Flynn, of officialdisclosure.com, announced the discovery of an extensive series of geoglyphs surrounding the Lake Titicaca region last February. These are similar to the Nazca lines but more extensive. They are very old and many are built into the bedrock, under the flood sediments.

This is incredible stuff! Whole hills were carved into various configurations. David has two special reports: (an initial news item…it gives an e-mail address and phone number for interviews) and a more extensive report with many pics…SEE LINKS BELOW

This is really dynamite stuff; estimated age: 13,000-15,000 b.p. I’m not sure if Flynn is a Christian and creationist. He keeps talking about the difficulty of constructing Tiwanaku and the geoglyphs at extreme altitude.

The best theory I’ve seen (Cataclysm! by Allan and Delair, and many others) is that the Flood event fractured the crust and re-arranged the continents. Even Darwin speculated that the whole southwest end of South America was lifted up hundreds or thousands of feet. Tiwanaku was originally a seaport!–Dan Moore

By David E. Flynn
© 2008 RaidersNewsNetwork

The size and scope of David Flynn’s Teohuanaco discovery simply surpasses comprehension. Mammoth traces of intelligence carved in stone and covering hundreds of square miles. For those who understand what they are seeing here for the first time, this could indeed be the strongest evidence ever found of prehistoric engineering by those who were known and feared throughout the ancient world as gods.
~ Thomas Horn

This satellite image (above) is a portion of the Andean foothills surrounding Lake Titicaca in Bolivia, South America. It is a small sample of a vast network of patterns that surround the lake and extend for more than one hundred miles south into the Bolivian desert.

The patterns display geometric repetition and intelligent design. There are interlocking rectangular cells and mounds, perfectly straight lines and tree like arrays that are uncharacteristic with natural erosion. These cover every topographical feature of the high plateau surrounding the lake, over flood plains, hills, cliffs and mountains.

Although these geoglyphs are remarkable in their obvious strangeness, what is more astounding is that they have remained in obscurity until now. In the same way modern archeologists recently found the ruins of hidden Mayan temples in the Guatemalan jungle by using earth orbiting satellites, we have discovered what could be one of the greatest finds of our time.

Directly South of Lake Titicaca the foothills are embossed with mound and rope arrangements of earth and rock. These form a contiguous ‘geomantic’ and ‘circuit like’ network visible only from the air.

The combined mass of the walls on these mountains below easily rivals Hadrian’s 73 mile long wall in England.

The Balance of these articles can be found here at these links:
officialdisclosure.com/giants.htm
officialdisclosure.com/discovery.htm

See Also:Lake Titicaca and the City of Tihuanacu: Mystery wrapped in an Enigma

Meanwhile, While We’re About it, More Dinosaur/Human Interacting in France?

Dinosaurs in Literature, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 16 2008


Source: Dave Woetzel; Genesispark.com

Taking the opportunity available we now move to another part of France and a different time. This perhaps has little to do with the monuments of Ancient Finistere, but it does have to do with evidence that man and dinosaur interacted with each other in the near and distant past.

In any case, this additional information is also provided for your consideration for free and as the wags say, worth every penny.

“Some of the beautiful French chateaus built at the close of the Middle Ages and early 1500’s have dramatic dragon illustrations carved into their walls, ceilings, and furniture.

These include Château de Chambord, Château de Blois, and Château Azay-le-Rideau. Note the similarities in the dinosaurian-like dragons and their resemblance to the dinosaur Plateosaurus.

The Château Azay-le-Rideau also displays a fascinating tapestry depicting what looks like a pterosaur fighting a lion.

A tapestry at Château de Blois portrays a dragon (and its baby) with gnarly horns on its head that are reminiscent of the dinosaur Dracorex hogwartsia (not shown)”….Genesis Park

All sauropods have long necks, long tails, and massive legs supported by blunt feet with five toes. They ranged in size form approximately 40 to 150 feet. The depiction shown here is a completely modern rendering of a sauropod created centuries ago.

What is the likelihood that ancient artists of the Middle Ages, could sculpt or draw a dinosaur (called a dragon) which is certainly superior to those drawn by scientists in the 1800’s and even the 1900’s as to detail and accuracy? This is the mystery we face when contemplating the dragons which adorned these walls and ceilings.

Photo: “Dragon with modern sauropod, Apotosaurus.

Here we compare certain modern representations of sauropod dinosaurs with a representative “dragon” created 300 or more years before the term dinosaur was coined. In France, fossils of the sauropods; Plateosaurus and Ampelosaurus have been found (along with Hypselosaurus) and are shown for comparison purposes.

A pterosaur was a reptilian, dragon-like creature of many types, but which shared certain features in common, such as batlike wings, two longer legs and two shorter, under and attached to the wings. Some of the long tailed variety had tails with a tail vane on the end. How curious that many of the dragons and basilisks of the ancients sometimes also shared these same features. Is this all just coincidence or did some of these “ancients” actually see dinosaurs and pterosaurs?

About the French Châteaux of the Middle Ages

Photo: “1500′s Dragon with modern sauropods; Plateosaurus and Ampelosaurus .

Loire Valley, known as “the Garden of France”, was the favorite residence of Kings of France during the Renaissance period. They made this peaceful countryside the setting for their dreams. Thus was born the Renaissance in France .The kings surrounded themselves with the greatest artists and architects of this era.

This is the “country of thousand castles” : not only Royal Castles and Renaissance Palaces ,National Museum and Large magnificent Châteaux , but also : Manors ,Middle Age‘s Castles and Fortresses , small “Fairy tales” Manors ,mansions , Private Castles ,Châteaux Hotels ,”Self Catering” Castles , luxurious old houses , medieval cities, towers ,bastions ,fortified farms and churches ,abbeys ,cathedrals…

Photo: “1500′s Dragon (pterosaur) vs lion.

It is worth driving at random in Loire Valley , Touraine , Sologne ,Poitou,Berry and discover castles, castles ,castles …more castles.

Azay le Rideau :The Azay le Rideau Castle ,one of the purest creation of the Renaissance, was built on an island of the Indre River ,ideal setting for an architectural jewel.

Château de Chambord :” Chambord is truly royal ,royal in its great scale, its grand air, its indifference to common consideration ” (Henry James) .It combined the dream of King François I with the imagination of Leonardo de Vinci. The result is a real “mathematisation” of architecture ,a grandiose creation :440 rooms ,a fabulous double staircase ,a unique roof terrace

Blois superb Renaissance castle with its thousand windows and magnificent staircase ,The medieval city of Chinon ,the feudal fortress of Langeais, Montreuil-Bellay , Angers , Luynes , Chateau de Brissac ,the “Giant of Loire Valley” , the Fontevrault Abbey… Source:http://www.a-castle-for-rent.com/castles/

Larger versions of these photos here at page bottom

Lesbians, Condoms Go Wild in Attack on Christian church; Making Out at Pulpit, Shouting Blasphemies in Front of Children

Church of Darwin, Religious | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 12 2008

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily , November 11, 2008
Photo: Bash Back Members

Worshippers at a Bible-teaching church in Lansing, Mich., were stunned Sunday when members of a pro-homosexual, pro-anarchy organization named Bash Back interrupted their service to fling propaganda and condoms around the sanctuary, drape a profane banner from the balcony and feature two lesbians making out at the pulpit.

According to a blog posting by Nick De Leeuw on Right Michigan, the Bash Back organization orchestrated a protest in front of Mount Hope Church to draw the church’s security staff away from the sanctuary.

Then Bash Backers who had dressed up and mixed in with church worshippers took action.

According to De Leeuw, “Prayer had just finished when men and women stood up in pockets across the congregation, on the main floor and in the balcony.

“‘Jesus was gay,’ they shouted among other profanities and blasphemies as they rushed the stage. Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss,” he wrote.

He cited the Bash Back organization’s own announcement of other items members brought into the church, including “a megaphone, noise makers, condoms, glitter by the bucket load, confetti, pink fabric. …”

According to the alternative Lansing City Pulse – which reported it was notified of the protest ahead of time and sent a reporter along instead of warning the church – the protesters also screamed at parishioners and pulled the church facility’s fire alarm. Printed material protesters distributed said, “We specialize in confronting homophobia, transphobia and every and all other forms of oppression.”

The report said Bash Back issued a statement today confirming it targeted Mount Hope, which has about 5,000 church participants, because it participates in “the repression of queers.”

On the newspaper’s forum page, a contributor commented, “Homosexuals and anarchists. A perfect combination of human beings with no hope, no morals, no future.”

Many demonstrators fled and the rest were quiet after sheriff’s officers were summoned.

“Mount Hope churchgoers were unclear as to what the purpose of the demonstration was,” said a statement from David Williams, a spokesman for the church.

“The leadership of Mount Hope Church does not attempt to identify the church as anti-homosexual, anti-choice, or right wing. The church does take the Bible at face value and believes what the Bible says to be the truth,” Williams’ statement continued.

“According to the Bible, Mount Hope Church believes homosexuality to be a sin, just as fornication, stealing, drunkenness, and lying are sins. No sin greater than the next. Mount Hope Church strives to follow Jesus’ example of loving the sinner but not the sin while helping people change their lives for God’s glory and their improved quality of life. Mount Hope Church also recognizes that to each person God grants freewill.”

The church then offered help for people “caught up in unwanted sexual sin, drug abuse, and many other areas.”

De Leeuw reported “the ‘open minded’ and ‘tolerant’ liberals ran down the aisles and across the pews, hoping against hope to catch a ‘right winger’ on tape daring to push back (none did).

“This is what we’re up against,” De Leeuw wrote. “Amidst worshiping congregants and following unifying prayers that our president-elect be granted wisdom as he prepares to lead our nation through difficult global, social and economic challenges, the Michigan left declared open war on peaceful churchgoers.

“Mount Hope, for the record, is an evangelical, Bible believing church whose members provide free 24-hour counseling, prayer lines, catastrophic care for families dealing with medical emergencies, support groups for men, women and children dealing with a wide variety of life’s troubles, crisis intervention, marriage ministries, regular, organized volunteer work in and around the city, missions in dozens of countries across the globe, a construction ministry that has built over 100 churches, schools, orphanages and other projects all over the world and an in-depth prison ministry that reaches out, touches and helps the men and women the rest of society fears the most. They also teach respect for all human life and the Biblical sanctity of marriage as an institution between one man and one woman,” De Leeuw wrote.

“The church’s response? After things settled down, the blasphemy ended, the lewd props removed and the families safe from fear of additional men and women running into and past them the pastor took the stage and led the congregation in one more prayer … not for retribution, or divine justice or a celestial comeuppance (that’s what I’d have prayed for) but instead that the troubled individuals who’d just defiled the Lord’s house, so full of anger and hate, would know Jesus’ love in their lives and God’s peace that exceeds human understanding,” De Leeuw wrote.

His blog attracted dozens of comments, including one that said it was just as well the protesters hadn’t picked his church.

“It was well within the church members’ rights to respond with non-lethal force to put an immediate end to this assault. It this happened in my house, I’d have every right to throw someone out a window or two.”

In a statement posted on the Internet, Bash Back confirmed its “operatives” were in the service, “stood up, declared themselves fags, and began screaming loudly. … Another group threw over a thousand fliers to the entire … congregation. The fire alarm was pulled. Queers began making out in front of the pastor. And within a matter of minutes, everyone had evaded the guards and made their escapes.”

The statement continued, “Let is be known: So long as bigots kill us in the streets, this pack of wolves will continue to BASH BACK!”

The report comes just a day after video documentation of pro-homosexual protesters in California challenging a 69-year-old woman to a fight because she was affirming the biblical perspective of homosexuality.

“This screaming and shouting, name-calling and pushing by homosexual activists is not unlike a small child throwing a fit because he doesn’t get his way,” said Randy Thomasson, chief of the Campaign for Children and Families, a leading California-based pro-family group. “The public is getting a clue that homosexual activists don’t like democracy and are willing to trample anyone and anything that gets in their way.”

California voters by nearly 53 percent to 47 percent last week adopted a state constitutional amendment limiting marriage to one man and one woman.

Learn about the intimidating tactics and brilliant marketing techniques being used by “gay rights” activists – read David Kupelian’s controversial blockbuster, “The Marketing of Evil: How Radicals, Elitists, and Pseudo-Experts Sell Us Corruption Disguised as Freedom.”

Gary Glenn, president of the American Family Association of Michigan and co-author of the Marriage Protection Amendment approved by Michigan voters in 2004, condemned the homosexual activist group’s intimidation tactics.

“We will alert churches statewide of this now close-to-home threat of disruption of their members’ freedom to worship in peace and safety,” Glenn said, “but this is not the first time in history Christians have faced persecution or threats of reprisal for standing for their faith and values.”

He predicted Americans, “particularly people of strong religious faith, are not cowards” and would not “be bullied by emotional adolescents who disrespect private property, the rule of law, and anyone who dares hold opinions diverse from their own.”

“We will pray for and offer help to those who have gender identity and same-sex attraction disorders, but Americans will continue to reject their attempts to overturn the will of the people and impose their disorders on our children and society at large,” he said.

Glenn said AFA-Michigan will join the Catholic League in urging Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox to investigate the organized violation of the church’s private property rights and the group’s threat of future disruptions of worship services.

Catholic League president Bill Donohue today issued a statement condemning the group’s actions and accusing the news media of failing to report it with the same intensity they routinely do complaints by homosexual activist groups.

Authenticated Poinsett County Arkansas Corythosaurus/Hypacrosaurus from 400 to 700 Years Ago?

Crypto, Dinosaurs in Literature, s8int.com, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 11 2008

by Chris Parker
Copyright s8int.com 2008

Suppose that you are an antiquities dealer, specializing in Early American and Native American artifacts such as arrowheads, bowls, flint knives clay effigies etc.. You make a nice living.

Now, suppose that you obtain an artifact (a bowl) that has affixed to it the head of a known dinosaur type. What are your choices?

If you want to sell it, here are your choices: Call it; “bird headed”, “zoomorphic” or “unknown”. You certainly can’t mention that it looks like a dinosaur. Call it that and it becomes a fake—because the artist could not have known anything about dinosaurs 400 to 700 years ago—according to science.

Call it bird-headed and everyone will be happy. Of course, its never going to a museum, it can only go to a private collector. This will always be the case.

So, even though there are in fact many artifacts that would make it clear that these creatures were alive a very short time ago rather than the millions of years science insists, no one, including scientists, Atheists, the general public nor Creationists, knows that this evidence exists.

This artifact is described by the dealer as a bird. It’s certainly possible that bird was his best guess.But, what kind of bird? We here at s8int.com recognize the creature represented by the artifact as a lambeosaurine dinosaur like Corythosaurus or Hypacrosaurus. Many of these artifacts representing dinosaurs have been shown in our Dinosaurs in Literature section.

This item has been authenticated by Jeff Baker of Baker Authentication. Here’s how it is described on its certificate: “Effigy Bowl. Origin: Poinsett County, Arkansas. Measurement: 3” x 5.5 inches.

Condition:Excellent. Grade 9.5. Material; Shell Tempered Pottery,

Notation: A middle to late Mississippian artifact suggested to date from 700 to 400 years before present. Description for this type is a miniature size effigy bowl depicting a bird’s head. These types are commonly found along the Tyronza River in Northeast Arkansas. The workmanship is consistent with ancient techniques….”

Is this a bird headed bowl–or a dinosaur headed bowl? You decide.

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I Appeal To You, Brothers, in the Name of Our Lord Jesus Christ, That All of You Agree with One Another So That There May Be No Divisions Among You–Brawling in Jerusalem-What Would Jesus Do?

Religious, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 10 2008

Divisions in the Church

I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.

My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? ….1 Corinthians Chapter 1

BBC NEWS

Israeli police have had to restore order at one of Christianity’s holiest sites after a mass brawl broke out between monks in Jerusalem’s Old City.

Fighting erupted between Greek Orthodox and Armenian monks at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the traditional site of Christ’s crucifixion.

Two monks from each side were detained as dozens of worshippers traded kicks and punches at the shrine, said police.

Trouble flared as Armenians prepared to mark the annual Feast of the Cross.

Tapestries toppled

Shocked pilgrims looked on as decorations and tapestries were toppled during Sunday’s clash.

Dressed in the vestments of the Greek Orthodox and Armenian denominations, rival monks threw punches and anything they could lay their hands on.

The Greeks blamed the Armenians for not recognising their rights inside the holy site, while the Armenians said the Greeks had violated one of their traditional ceremonies.

Clashes between Christian sects in the ancient church are not uncommon

An Armenian clergyman said the Greek clergy had tried to place one of their monks inside the Edicule, an ancient structure which is said to encase the tomb of Jesus.

“What is happening here is a violation of status quo. The Greeks have tried so many times to put their monk inside the tomb but they don’t have the right to when the Armenians are celebrating the feast,” he said.

The Armenians had been preparing to commemorate the 4th Century discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus.

A Greek clergyman said: “We protested peacefully, we stood here in the middle and we claimed that we shall not leave the procession finished unless they leave our guardian be inside. This didn’t happen and in that moment the police interfered.”

Six Christian sects share control of the ancient church and the BBC’s Wyre Davies in Jerusalem says confrontations between them are not uncommon, but rarely descend into violence.

Neither a Catholic Nor A Protestant; A Christian Only

Rockwall Texas Giant Human Skull and Underground “Discoveries”

Giants in Those Days, Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 10 2008

Several months ago, a website regular (maybe David Etheridge?) sent me a link to an article about three 1886 stories in the Rockwall Success concerning the Rock Wall in Rockwall Texas, and some “fantastic” discoveries there underneath the wall. Here we use “fantastic” in the sense of nearly unbelievable.

One of the reasons that we didn’t post the story immediately was that we wanted to do our own research to see if we coud have some of the fantatsic details verified by some other source. We’ve been in contact with the author, David Allen Deal, and he seems convinced that the story is true. He noted that one of the descendants of one of the prominment men mentioned in the story had subsequently written a history of the area which presumably reiterated some of the information in the articles.

What particularly gave us pause, apart from the sensational details was that the author of the articles in the Rockwall Success was “Sam Slick”. Sam Slick was also the name of a fictional character ….

“Sam Slick was a character created by Thomas Chandler Haliburton, a Canadian judge and author. With his wry wit and Yankee voice, Sam Slick of Slicksville put forward his views on “human nature” in a regular column in the Novascotian, beginning in 1835. The twenty-one sketches were published in a collection titled The Clockmaker, or the Sayings and Doings of Samuel Slick of Slicksville, First Series in 1836, supplemented by an additional 12 unpublished or new sketches. The book was Canada’s first international bestseller and was hugely popular, not only in Nova Scotia but also in Britain and the United States.

Slick’s wise-cracking commentary on the colonial life of Nova Scotia and relations with the U.S. and Britain struck a note with readers, leading to a second series in 1838 and a third in 1840. The satirical sketches, mocking both Canadians and Americans, made Haliburton one of the most popular writers of comic fiction in English of that era. The Clockmaker (which was also translated into German) established Haliburton as one of the founders of North American humour.” Wikipedia

David Allen Deal believes that this was probably a “Nom de Plume” of the writer and doesn’t impact the veracity of the story presented. Here at s8int.com, we’d feel better about the stories if the author had used his real name or if we coulld find a Sam Slick of that day who wrote other non-controversial stories for the “Success”. That was our first concern.

Secondly, we noted that in one of the articles, a group of local prominents sets out to investigate the wall and of the five men, three are known as J.B.? What are the odds of that?

If any of you out there in RockWall want to do some detective work, find out who Sam Slick was and try to find out if there is any corroboration for this story or any of its details elsewhere.

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Shiv, nice video but I do think that a few of those items have been debunked?

Texas Giant Human Skull

by David Allen Deal

There are groups in our society that have always tried to suppress any evidence that supports biblical history, such as the flood of Noah, or existence of giants, where ever and whenever they have been found in the past. Sometimes the evidence is sent to the Smithsonian or a state university from which it disappears, never to be seen again.

As time passes these efforts are ever increasing, and now we see attacks against all religion by wild-eyed fanatic atheists. The famous Davenport Iowa, Academy of Natural Sciences dispute with and report about the arrogance of Mr. Henshaw of the Smithsonian by Charles Putman in 1885 is another example of honest academics going up against the Smithsonian Institute and the erroneous and spiteful policies of its director, Major John Wesley Powell.

The evidence for the existence of elephants and mastodons and mammoths has been well reported from sites throughout the Americas for the past 150 years, yet not many stop to realize the biblical significance of this. In other words, prior to the world wide deluge, ( Flood of Noah ) many robust animal types lived on the American continent, and fossil evidence supports this claim.

Examples are: elephants, bison, horses & camels. Of the latter two, examples are found as fossils in Anza Borego State Park in California, in a huge anticline near Fish Creek and split mountain. Modern horses and camels and elephants do not appear here in the Americas again until thousands of years after the flood. Some antediluvian life forms never appear here again, only to reappear in eastern Anatolia where the ark landed on a mountain.

One form of antediluvian life that never reappears is super giant humans, except as an occasional bone or grave which are obviously of pre-flood origin. So-called “giant” graves are ususally of men less than eight feet in stature, yet considered to be giants – they weren’t. However there have been exceptions.

This is one of those previously hidden and suppressed stories. It comes from a small bedroom community of Rockwall, Texas just east of Dallas and the old Trinity River. This place is of great pre-historical interest, because of the buried 40 foot high wall that enclosed approximately 30 square miles, now covered with 40 feet of marine (flood) sediments.

In the past, for example, when the early residents were building the Courthouse, several subterranean rock-lined rooms were uncovered, and then filled-in for the modern structure being built. A rock lined tunnel down to the river was discovered, according to local architect John Lindsey, and even later while crews were building Interstate 30, a large rock-lined room was found because a huge road grader fell into it.

Several excavations have been made to expose the wall over the years, the latest, only about 5 years ago. Local squabbling and small town politics closed down their website, but not before I copied all the photographs of the exposed wall structure. I can’t use them for this article because of ownership and copyright restrictions, but I can send a few to interested parties who wish to see them via e-mail. ( http://www.noahsark-naxuan.com/4.htm ).

Three follow-on stories, written in mid 1886 published in the ROCKWALL SUCCESS newspaper, were found in the archives by a member of the Rockwall Historical Society in 2006 and sent to me. I have photocopies of these three clippings. They are datelined “Buffalo.” Buffalo was a small township, several miles south of Rockwall which no longer exists.

Click Here to Read the Full Story as a PDF

Researchers: Asteroid Destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah

Religious, Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 06 2008

“Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of Heaven; and he overthrew those cities and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities …

[Abraham] looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah and toward all the land of the valley, and beheld, and lo, the smoke of the land went up like the smoke of a furnace.” …Genesis 19:24-28

By Lewis Smith,Fox News

University of Bristol: An Assyrian planisphere, or star chart, from about 700 B.C. which may depict events recounted by Sumerians from around 3123 B.C.

A clay tablet that has baffled scientists for 150 years has been identified as a witness’s account of the asteroid suspected of being behind the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Researchers who cracked the cuneiform symbols on the Planisphere tablet believe that it recorded an asteroid thought to have been more than half a mile across.

The tablet, found by Henry Layard in the remains of the library in the royal place at Nineveh in the mid-19th century, is thought to be a 700 B.C. copy of notes made by a Sumerian astronomer watching the night sky.

He referred to the asteroid as a “white stone bowl approaching” and recorded it as it “vigorously swept along.”

Using computers to recreate the night sky thousands of years ago, scientists have pinpointed his sighting to shortly before dawn on June 29 in the year 3123 B.C.

About half the symbols on the tablet have survived and half of those refer to the asteroid. The other symbols record the positions of clouds and constellations. In the past 150 years scientists have made five unsuccessful attempts to translate the tablet.

Mark Hempsell, one of the researchers from Bristol University who cracked the tablet’s code, said: “It’s a wonderful piece of observation, an absolutely perfect piece of science.”

He said the size and route of the asteroid meant that it was likely to have crashed into the Austrian Alps at Köfels. As it traveled close to the ground it would have left a trail of destruction from supersonic shock waves and then slammed into the Earth with a cataclysmic impact.

Debris consisting of up to two-thirds of the asteroid would have been hurled back along its route and a flash reaching temperatures of 400 Centigrade (752 Fahrenheit) would have been created, killing anyone in its path.

About one million sq kilometers (386,000 sq miles) would have been devastated and the impact would have been equivalent to more than 1,000 tons of TNT exploding.

Dr Hempsall said that at least 20 ancient myths record devastation of the type and on the scale of the asteroid’s impact, including the Old Testament tale of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and the ancient Greek myth of how Phaeton, son of Helios, fell into the River Eridanus after losing control of his father’s sun chariot.

The findings of Dr. Hempsall and Alan Bond, of Reaction Engines Ltd., are published in a book, “A Sumerian Observation of the Köfels Impact Event.”

The researchers say that the asteroid’s impact would explain why at Köfels there is evidence of an ancient landslide 3 miles wide and a quarter of a mile thick.

‘Junk’ DNA Proves Functional; Helps Explain Human Differences From Other Species

s8int.com, Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Nov 06 2008

There’s an awful lot of infomation in DNA. So much so that evolutionists might have to deal with the who and the how of that information content. Evolutionists went on offense and claimed that only 2% of that information made any sense or was used by the cell and therefore this “junk” DNA more or less proved that life wasn’t created by God. Junk within DNA was bad design and therefore evolution better explained the existence of this conserved but useless information, they opined .

In the past few years, science has began to understand that “Junk” DNA serves very important functions. In other words, their lack of knowledge was used a proof against creationism. Now that they find that they were wrong, they now assert that this new important DNA supports evolutionary theory as well. Dawkins wasn’t the only guilty party but here is a portion of one of his arrogant quotes on the subject;

“Once again, creationists might spend some earnest time speculating on why the Creator should bother to litter genomes with untranslated pseudogenes and junk tandem repeat DNA. … Can we measure the information capacity of that portion of the genome which is actually used? We can at least estimate it. In the case of the human genome it is about 2%, considerably less than the proportion of my hard disc that I have ever used since I bought it….Richard Dawkins, “The Information Challenge.” the skeptic. 18,4. Autumn 1998

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ScienceDaily (Nov. 5, 2008) — In a paper published in Genome Research on Nov. 4, scientists at the Genome Institute of Singapore (GIS) report that what was previously believed to be “junk” DNA is one of the important ingredients distinguishing humans from other species.

More than 50 percent of human DNA has been referred to as “junk” because it consists of copies of nearly identical sequences. A major source of these repeats is internal viruses that have inserted themselves throughout the genome at various times during mammalian evolution.

Using the latest sequencing technologies, GIS researchers showed that many transcription factors, the master proteins that control the expression of other genes, bind specific repeat elements. The researchers showed that from 18 to 33% of the binding sites of five key transcription factors with important roles in cancer and stem cell biology are embedded in distinctive repeat families.

Over evolutionary time, these repeats were dispersed within different species, creating new regulatory sites throughout these genomes. Thus, the set of genes controlled by these transcription factors is likely to significantly differ from species to species and may be a major driver for evolution.

This research also shows that these repeats are anything but “junk DNA,” since they provide a great source of evolutionary variability and might hold the key to some of the important physical differences that distinguish humans from all other species.

The GIS study also highlighted the functional importance of portions of the genome that are rich in repetitive sequences.

“Because a lot of the biomedical research use model organisms such as mice and primates, it is important to have a detailed understanding of the differences between these model organisms and humans in order to explain our findings,” said Guillaume Bourque, Ph.D., GIS Senior Group Leader and lead author of the Genome Research paper.

“Our research findings imply that these surveys must also include repeats, as they are likely to be the source of important differences between model organisms and humans,” added Dr. Bourque. “The better our understanding of the particularities of the human genome, the better our understanding will be of diseases and their treatments.”

“The findings by Dr. Bourque and his colleagues at the GIS are very exciting and represent what may be one of the major discoveries in the biology of evolution and gene regulation of the decade,” said Raymond White, Ph.D., Rudi Schmid Distinguished Professor at the Department of Neurology at the University of California, San Francisco, and chair of the GIS Scientific Advisory Board.

“We have suspected for some time that one of the major ways species differ from one another – for instance, why rats differ from monkeys – is in the regulation of the expression of their genes: where are the genes expressed in the body, when during development, and how much do they respond to environmental stimuli,” he added.

“What the researchers have demonstrated is that DNA segments carrying binding sites for regulatory proteins can, at times, be explosively distributed to new sites around the genome, possibly altering the activities of genes near where they locate. The means of distribution seem to be a class of genetic components called ‘transposable elements’ that are able to jump from one site to another at certain times in the history of the organism. The families of these transposable elements vary from species to species, as do the distributed DNA segments which bind the regulatory proteins.”

Dr. White also added, “This hypothesis for formation of new species through episodic distributions of families of gene regulatory DNA sequences is a powerful one that will now guide a wealth of experiments to determine the functional relationships of these regulatory DNA sequences to the genes that are near their landing sites. I anticipate that as our knowledge of these events grows, we will begin to understand much more how and why the rat differs so dramatically from the monkey, even though they share essentially the same complement of genes and proteins.”