Archive for September 30th, 2008

1947: From Whence Came the Sea Shells 10,000 Feet Up in the Andes?, Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
Sep 30 2008

Marine Fossils from Andes May Throw Light on Jungle Oil
Museum-Columbia Expedition Brings Back 4,000 Pounds of Shells from Mountains, Once the Floor of a Shallow Sea

New York Times
October 13, 1947

“Marine fossils uncovered by an expedition 10,000 feet up in the Peruvian Andes have arrived in New York, it was announced yesterday by officials of Columbia University and the American Museum of Natural History.

The 4,000 pounds of fossilized shells, described as one of the most significant finds in recent years, are expected to throw light on one of the world’s last great untapped oil preserves in the jungles of the Upper Amazon basin.”

It’s funny how your world view impacts one’s view of the evidence, isn’t it? A person without the practiced eye that the paradigm uses to view these things might surmise that there was another way for those shells to have gotten on top of the mountain.

Genesis 7:20
The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet.

How many scientists whilst pondering this situation (sea shells at 10,000 to 16,000 feet) would have even considered that perhaps these mountains had ever been covered over with water? One supposes that they would rather champion the idea that they were dropped there by aliens.

On the other hand, the idea that the mountains had once been part of a shallow sea sounds reasonable enough, and perhaps they had been. The fact is, however whatever evidence that there was that got the shallow sea theory going likely might have also supported a great flood theory as well.

One might suppose that the 4,000 pounds of shells that were found might not be enough for ancient lands that were once a shallow sea. One might suppose then that every square inch of the mountain should contain remnants of that ancient sea bottom. Perhaps the distribution of shells as they were found might better fit the notion that they were carried there and deposited.

The article goes on nevertheless to say that “the discovery of the colorful marine fossils in the Andes adds proof to theories that the range once lay under a shallow sea”. Were there no other hypotheses?

We are told that there was evidence that the same shallow sea once covered Texas and Oklahoma. Well, it couldn’t have been the flood of Noah then, right? Did those waters allegedly cover Texas and Oklahoma?

According to the article, marine fossils which were unknown to science were found in the Andes and several 100 pound blocks containing fossils were brought back to the museum.

What really happened here?

Creationist issues $11 trillion challenge

Church of Darwin, Science, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
Sep 30 2008

“the extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology.” Stephen Jay Gould (Natural History, 86:12-16)

New Zealand Herald
4:00AM Tuesday Sep 30, 2008

ISTANBUL – A controversial creationist has offered a multitrillion-dollar challenge to scientists.

Adnan Oktar’s “call to all evolutionists” promises “10 trillion Turkish lira to anyone who produces a single intermediate-form fossil demonstrating evolution” – a sum roughly equal to $11.7 trillion.

The Muslim writer, who uses the pen name Harun Yahya, is a fierce critic of “the Darwinist dictatorship” and a popular figure in Turkey, where only a quarter of the population believe in evolution.

The 52-year-old former architecture student claims there are no fossils to support Darwinist theories.

“Not one [fossil] belongs to strange-looking creatures in the course of development of the kind supposed by evolutionists.”

However, scientists reject his claims that these fossils do not exist. Dr Kevin Padian at the University of California told the New York Times Oktar “does not have any sense of what we know about how things change through time. If he sees a fossil crab, he says, ‘It looks just like a regular crab, there’s no evolution.’ Extinction does not seem to bother him.”

Oktar found fame in 2006 when 10,000 copies of his Atlas Of Creation were distributed worldwide. The 800-page volume illustrated his claims that for millions of years life forms have not developed, supporting his Islamic creationist beliefs.

*Richard Dawkins, a British biologist, called the Atlas “preposterous”, speaking of “the breathtaking inanity of the content”.

Oktar responded: “We could have spoken on a more scientific basis if he had been able to produce an intermediate form fossil capable of confirming evolution.”

This month Oktar won a case in a Turkish court claiming that Dawkins’ website contained blasphemous and defamatory content. Internet users in Turkey can no longer access the site.


*No, not “transitional”. Good try.