Archive for May, 2005

Lion’s Cavern: The Oldest Mine in the World

Science, Sophistication of Ancestors | Posted by Chris Parker
May 31 2005

The first beauty parlor is over 40,000 years old! Long before the days of Cleopatra and Helen of Troy, in the heart of Africa, cosmetics were being mined to beautify men and woman – who even than recognised that nature needs a little help.

The birth of beauty began at Bomvu ridge, in the Ngwenya mountains of the Kingdom of Swaziland. Here on a mountain of iron ore between the Ngwenya border post and the capital Mbabane, the first evidence of prehistoric activity was recorded in 1947.

Subsequently some 20 years later, with great excitment, it was discovered that at least 100,000 tons of ore had been removed prior to commencement of modern opencast operations by the Swaziland Iron Ore development Company.

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Mysterious Two-Hundred Million-Year-Old Hidden Stone Bears the Words: “Chinese Communist Party Collapses”

Science, Sophistication of Ancestors, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 31 2005

We’re not sure what it is we are missing here. Maybe it’s the translation or maybe “April Fools Day”, is June 1 in China. Certainly the rock is not 200 million years old–but why couldn’t someone have written the inscription–after the rock split open?

We report, you decide.

EPOCH TIMES: In June 2002, a 270 million-year-old “hidden words stone” was discovered in Guizhou.
A crack that formed 500 years ago in a megalith reveals six characters neatly brush-written in Chinese; the characters represent “The Chinese Communist Party Collapses [Zhong Guo Gong Chan Dang Wang].”

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Researcher develops methods to test artifacts’ links to the Bible

Religious, Science | Posted by Chris Parker
May 31 2005

Purdue University: WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. – A Purdue University professor has invented a system to judge whether ancient inscriptions refer to people in the Bible.

Lawrence Mykytiuk (MICK-ee-took) uses the system to test whether archaeological inscriptions refer to ancient Hebrew kings such as David, Omri, Jeroboam II, Uzziah and other Old Testament personages such as Mesha and the high priest Hilkiah. The system and results are detailed in his new book, “Identifying Biblical Persons in Northwest Semitic Inscriptions of 1200-539 B.C.E.” (Society of Biblical Literature, $42.95).

Mykytiuk’s work steps outside the conflict between two camps of biblical scholars: the “maximalists” who hold the Bible to be historically correct, some as far back as the times of Abraham, circa 2000 B.C.; and the “minimalists” who claim the entire Old Testament is fiction with only tiny bits of genuine historical memory.

“Scholarship is supposed to be objective,” Mykytiuk, an associate professor of library science, said. “My book attempts to avoid the opposing assumptions of both sides. People are free to choose whatever view of Scripture they want, but my question is: ‘Where does an inscription support the Bible?’”

Minimalism became a force in biblical scholarship in the 1980s and gained momentum in 1992 with the publication of P. R. Davies’ book, “In Search of ‘Ancient Israel’,” but took a hit one year later when archaeologists unearthed a fragment at Tel Dan in northern Israel that appeared to mention “the house of David.”

To properly determine the significance of that inscription and others like it, Mykytiuk devised a comprehensive system to make identifications – something that had never been done before. Eighty pages of his book are devoted to a system that could feasibly be adapted and applied by archaeologists and historians of other ancient cultures. Mykytiuk identifies key criteria for authenticity that address:

• Whether the data included in the inscription is reliable;

• What the “nationality” and the time frame of the inscription are and what Biblical person might be involved;

• How strong the match is with the biblical person.

Utilizing his system, Mykytiuk evaluated artifacts for potential identifications of 79 biblical personages, rating identifications, or non-identifications, into six categories of strength from unmistakable to disqualified.

The system contains a list of carefully calibrated gradations for coping with problems such as possible forgeries and illegal excavation of artifacts by thieves. The recent appearance in an antiquities market of an ossuary, a container for bones of the dead, with inscriptions indicating it might have belonged to Jesus’ brother James, is a high-profile example of a dramatic discovery that might be disqualified because of its murky past. A less-heralded artifact – such as a coin that is datable because the location and subterranean layer of its discovery has been documented by reliable professionals – can often be of far more value to historians.

Although minimalism is strong in Europe, fellow Near East scholar Paul Sanders from St. Stanislas College in Delft, Netherlands, praised Mykytiuk for a pleasant style that is cautious, consistent and easy as possible to understand – a feat sometimes difficult to accomplish when a dissertation is revised into a book.

“Application of his criteria … will certainly play a role in future debate about the historicity of the biblical accounts,” Sanders wrote for the Review of Biblical Literature. “It should be read by all of those who are interested in the pre-exilic history of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah.”

Mykytiuk said his book would be of interest to both those who love and hate the Bible, historians of several schools of thought, including Arab scholars, and those simply fascinated by the exotic.

“My interest was historical,” Mykytiuk said. “If the question were ‘Should we believe in the God of the Bible?’ then that would be religious.” He said he nonetheless believes the identifications in his book will give 14 to 24 pieces of solid evidence to biblical maximalists.

“But minimalists will predictably try to minimize these, perhaps claiming that even 24 ‘bullets’ are not very many in a ‘war’ of ideas.”

Writer: Jim Schenke, 765-494-6262, jschenke@purdue.edu

Message From s8int.com

Religious, s8int.com | Posted by Chris Parker
May 29 2005


Pictured to the left is American Standard model 2254.127 An excellent piece of plumbing, we are certain.

Here at s8int.com, we wanted to let you (whomever it might concern) know in advance that we will not be offended if you choose to flush a Bible down one of these utilities.

If you try to use our belief that the Bible is the Word of God against us by abusing the physical book in some manner—then shame on you—if however, we actually permit ourselves to be assaulted, to have our faiths weakened or our hearts impacted by such actions—then shame on us.

The Words themselves are sacred to us—but the paper and the binding and the cover—those are part of the creation which is imperfect and already passing away.

Perhaps we could be offended by someone’s refusal to accept those things inside the book, and perhaps we could be offended by other Christians or ourselves failing to live up to the things written in the book—but even if you were to destroy all the Bibles on earth, the Word would still exist-would still be true and would be wholly clean and unsullied. In short, such an action would not only be waste of excellent reading material–it would also be a waste of time.

“I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more… Hebrews 8

Immortality is Within Our Grasp

Church of Darwin, Fin De Siecle, Science, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
May 29 2005

“Immortality is Within Our Grasp”… Ian Pearson –And a bunch of other guys over the centuries who are now dead.

Sunday May 22, 2005
The Observer

Aeroplanes will be too afraid to crash, yoghurts will wish you good morning before being eaten and human consciousness will be stored on supercomputers, promising immortality for all – though it will help to be rich.
These fantastic claims are not made by a science fiction writer or a crystal ball-gazing lunatic. They are the deadly earnest predictions of Ian Pearson, head of the futurology unit at BT.

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New Underwater Finds in Sri Krishna’s City

Science, The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 27 2005

Submitted by: Deva-Evu Lawrie from “The Hindu” 1987, 1988

Quote from Artcle: “More than a decade back, a very old, small temple within a big temple, believed to be the original “Krishna temple” was unearthed 20 to 30 feet deep, not far off from the location of the present one, by the first surface excavation of the Archaeological Department.

Again, in early 1985, the fourth under-water excavation discovered two submerged sea walls, 20 to 30 feet below the sea-bed a few metres apart—also reported in The Hindu, the same year (1985), how the old Dwaraka Port, once the “gateway” of ancient India, was submerged four to five thousand years ago, was scientifically explained by Mr. C.S. Mahadevan of Madras vide The Hindu, February 21, 1985. Dwaraka was partially submerged according to him in 3031 B.C..

Later in 2700 BC, not only the remaining portion of Dwaraka but even the remaining portion of Lanka, Ravana’s kingdom got submerged in a cataclysm. This explanation is supported by the scientific reasons advanced by him. Due to the tilting of the axis of the earth, generally some of the islands throughout the world submerged.”
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Is Lucifer Satan? Or Just as the Bible Says: The King of Babylon?

Religious, Uncategorized | Posted by Chris Parker
May 26 2005

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!.

This subject is just a pet peeve of ours here at s8int.com. It seems to us that Christians are divided largely because as dedicated as some seem to be to scripture, what the Bible actually says is often overshadowed by what someone else says that it says! This oft repeated and widely accepted notion that Lucifer is the devil could be easily corrected by taking about 15 minutes and reading–the Bible for onesself.

The word Lucifer, used only once in the Bible was not even a proper noun–it was meant as a description, not a name. Read the Article by Clicking here.

Underwater Discoveries Give Credence to Ancient Flood Legends

The Flood of Noah, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 25 2005

By David James
The Epoch Times
Apr 05, 2005

The discovery of underwater ruins off India’s southeastern coast adds to evidence supporting local legends of a devastating “flood” that once took several temples into the sea.

The find was tipped off by locals at Mahabalipuram, in Tamil Nadu, southern India, when they reported seeing a temple structure revealed by receding waters just before the December 26 tsunami hit. The tsunami also uncovered remains on a beach of a carved stone house, a rock elephant and two giant granite lions.

According to local lore, the area once boasted seven magnificent temples, but six of these were swallowed by the sea as an act of divine retribution. The seventh remaining temple still stands on the shore today.
For centuries, local fishermen on the coast of Mahabalipuram have told tales about a great flood that destroyed a city over 10,000 years ago. This tale was recorded by the British explorer J. Goldingham, who explored the region in 1978.

British marine archaeologist Graham Hancock has spent years cataloging underwater ruins around the world. Mr. Hancock took part in an expedition to survey the underwater area near Mahabalipuram in 2002, jointly sponsored by Britain’s Scientific Exploration Society (SES) and India’s National Institute of Oceanography (NIO).

The expedition revealed the presence of stone masonry, remains of walls, scattered square and rectangular stone blocks, and a large platform with steps leading up to it. Most of the structures were badly damaged and scattered in an area of several square miles. Two structural complexes showed a similar design and size.
The NIO estimates the age of the ruins at 1500-1200 years BP, when the Pallava dynasty ruled the area and constructed similar temples.

According to Durham University geologist Glenn Milne, however, the ruins may be up to 6000 years old given that there has been very little tectonic movement in the area for 5000 years.

If the ruins at Mahabalipuram are discovered to be of the same temple complex as the remaining shore temple, this would lend credence to the local tales that outsiders have regarded as legend.

“I have argued for many years that the world’s flood myths deserve to be taken seriously, a view that most Western academics reject. But here in Mahabalipuram, we have proved the myths right and the academics wrong,” Mr. Hancock said. “Of course the real discoverers of this amazing and very extensive submerged site are the local fishermen of Mahabalipuram. My role was simply to take what they had to say seriously and to take the town’s powerful and distinctive flood myths seriously.”

The Letter Nature Wouldn’t Print

Church of Darwin, Science | Posted by Chris Parker
May 24 2005

By: Staff & Stephen C. Meyer
Discovery Institute
May 23, 2005

Nature magazine has refused to print a letter from Dr. Stephen Meyer, Director of Discovery’s Center for Science & Culture, after his interview for an article the magazine printed about the growing number of university students taking interest in researching the theory of intelligent design. For more on the article and the responses click here to see our (Discovery Institute’s) blog post on Evolution News & Views.

May 6, 2005
Sir,

Geoff Brumfiel’s article on the theory of intelligent design (ID) [Nature, “Who has designs on your students’ minds,” April 28th, 2005] repeatedly mischaracterizes the contemporary design hypothesis as an argument from ignorance, as if the ID argument were based solely on the fact that “some biological systems are too complex. . .to be explained by natural selection alone.”,1 Yet, as I explained in our interview, design theorists argue for intelligent design not only because natural selection and other materialistic mechanisms seem incapable of explaining, for example, the origin of digital information and complex machines in cells, but also because we know from experience that systems possessing such features do invariably arise from intelligent causes. 2, 3 As the pioneering information theorist Henry Quastler observed, “information habitually arises from conscious activity.” 4 Thus, what we know about the present cause and effect structure of the world suggests intelligent design as an obvious explanation for the information necessary to build living systems.

Similarly, whenever we encounter irreducibly complex systems and we know how such systems arose, invariably intelligence played a role. For this reason, the presence of irreducibly complex systems in cells also constitutes a powerful positive indicator of intelligent design.

Contrary to Brumfiels’ report, the inference to design in biology is not based upon ignorance or religion, but instead upon standard uniformitarian methods of reasoning and biological evidence. Cells contain miniature machines, complex circuits and sophisticated information processing systems‹exquisite nanotechnology that in any other realm of experience would immediately, and properly, trigger recognition of prior intelligent activity.

Yours sincerely,
Stephen C. Meyer, Ph.D.
Director and Senior Fellow
Center for Science & Culture
Discovery Institute

Stephen C. Meyer, Ph.D. (History and Philosophy of Science, Cambridge University), Associate Professor of Philosophy at Whitworth College, Senior Research Fellow at the Discovery Institute (Seattle), Director of the Discovery Institute’s Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture.
Formerly a geo-physicist with the Atlantic Richfield Company, Professor Meyer completed a Ph.D. dissertation on origin-of-life biology and the methodology of the historical sciences. He has contributed to several scholarly books and anthologies, including The History of Science and Religion in the Western Tradition: An Encyclopedia, Darwinism: Science or Philosophy, Of Pandas and People: The Central Question in Biological Origins, The Creation Hypothesis: Scientific Evidence for an Intelligent Designer, Mere Creation: Science, Faith & Intelligent Design, and Facets of Faith and Science: Interpreting God’s Action in the World.
In addition to his technical articles on design, Prof. Meyer has written many editorial features in newspapers and magazines, including the Wall Street Journal, the L.A. Times, and the Chicago Tribune. He has also appeared on national TV and radio programs such as Technopolitics, CNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews, and National Public Radio’s Talk of the Nation.

Spark Plug? Embedded in Rock?

Science, Unexplained Artifact | Posted by Chris Parker
May 24 2005

This item no doubt really is a “modern day” spark plug with charateristics similar to that of the “Coso Artifact”. The question is; if this really is a spark plug–and it really is embedded in rock–how long does it really take for rock to form? Millions of years as the materialists claim–or far less than that, as creationists claim?

In this case, it would seem that the answer is less than 200 years!

“I listened with much interest to your Jonathan Gray interview the other night about ancient civilizations and anomalies found around the world. He mentioned finding an ancient spark plug in his excavations, which reminded me of the object I found washed up on a beach in Delaware several years ago.

It looks like a spark plug embedded in a melted chunk of rock. The top part of the object is protruding from the rock and appears to be milk glass with a pointed metal cap which has a hole in the point.

The metal is not rusted on the top, even though the object was in the ocean. I found a photograph of a model T spark plug (which I have included below)…as you can see, the object is similar but the top is definitely NOT the same as the object I found.

–Lynda F. Source: Coast to Coast